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Old 05-01-2016, 08:48 PM   #1
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'11 up Ford F350DRW vs F450

We purchased a '09 F350 CC SRW years ago figuring it would pull any coach we would ever want to own. Here we are 3 coaches later with a Mobile Suites. The current truck handles it fine, and we are slightly under capacity on the front axle, (5,300/6K) but at capacity on the rear axle (7,000) and GCVW (23,500), and slightly over on the trucks GVW of 11,400.

We would like to upgrade to a dually. We live in a small town and are serviced by a great dealer. They sold a F450 KR to an older couple new in '11. I do not know if the truck would be for sale, but it's optioned like I want and being local, I know the care it's had. I would be very much interested in this truck IF we could purchase it. That being said, I realize the F450 was "derated" in '11, and we would have to find a '15 to get the heavier GVW package and the upgraded engine.

In our situation, either this F450 or a 350 dually would be more than adequate. We want to stay with an '11-14 as we will not go in debt to make this purchase. We only drive the current F350 around 5K mi a year, so a new vehicle with a payment doesn't make sense. My dealer cautioned me that the 450 with the steeper gears, will not get good mileage. That really doesn't concern me as it's not a daily driver. The '09 we have does about 8.5 towing and 15.5 empty, so nothing stellar.

So in my position, would you try and get this F450, where we know the history since new, or would we be happier looking for a F350 with higher gears?

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Old 05-01-2016, 08:53 PM   #2
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If both are the same price I would go with the 450. If not the same price I would go with the one you like the best.
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I need to clarify, We do not have a truck found yet. (actually haven't even looked) The above 450 may not even be for sale. My our dealer has given us a price for our current truck, and is happy to look for a suitable 350/450. They do not stock duallys, and they are kind of scarce in our country as most folks around here now order F350 SRW trucks. I could sell our current truck outright easily, but then I'm "forced" to find another one quickly. I thought I'd let our dealer know to start looking, if they could trade for this local 450, it would be easier for us all. They have serviced our truck and this 450 since they were new. We are in no hurry to find one, as what we have is getting the job done for what little we use it. I was hoping for real world experience as if one was really better than the other. I'd like to find a 350/450 Lariat or KR, in white sand, white or "root beer" brown, with around 50K miles. that'd last us a long time and not be over our budget of $50K. I see many used trucks on ebay that meets my spec, for low to mid $40's, so if we can't get this local truck, it shouldn't be hard to find something that'll work. Just wanted the pro's and con's of each.

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Old 05-01-2016, 10:40 PM   #4
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'11 thru '14 F-450 pickup was basically the same as the F-350 DRW with a shorter rear axle and a different front suspension that resulted in a shorter turning diameter. They both had basically the same payload capacity, whereas the earlier "real F-450" had a higher payload capacity than the F-350 DRW.

For your use, payload capacity is your limiter with that heavy 5er you tow. So since both trucks comparably equipped can haul basically the same trailer weight, then there's not much advantage in the F-450 pickup over the comparably equipped F-350 DRW.

One advantage of the F-350 DRW is it was available in more configurations than the F-450 pickup. So if you don't need the CrewCab 4x4 configuration of the F-450 pickup, you might find an F-350 DRW SuperCab 4x2 for a lot less money.
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If you can score the F450 go for it. You'll be happy with the duals since it is such a stable towing platform. Even better is you'll have the service records on it and you know it's been taken care of. If it doesn't come available then look carefully and consider a certified pre-owned as it will come with a bumper to bumper 12 month warranty from Ford. In my opinion it's very important to find a truck that has goods service records and hasn't been tuned or had the emissions messed with.
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Old 05-01-2016, 11:21 PM   #6
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I have a 2012 F-450 KR. There were only 3 major differences than the F-350.

1. F-450 has a much better turning radius than the F-350 since it has a wider front track.

2. The brakes are approx. 1" larger than the F-350 giving better stopping power.
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3. The F-450 has 4:30 gear ratio. Great for towing heavy. Not so good driving solo.

In 2012 I parked my F-450 next to a same color F-350. I got out and looked at the trucks side by side. The F-450 looked larger because it looked 1" higher (could be an illusion) and like I mentioned before the front track is wider.

My F-450 tows my 15,500lb 5th wheel very easy. I bought the F-450 because I was going to buy a heavier trailer. Well, I really like the current trailer more than other trailers I looked at.

Like the F-350 the F-450 that year came with the same tires where in most other years the F-450 came with 19.5" commercial grade tires.

Driving solo I would pick the F-350. Towing heavy I would pick the F-450.
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Having the early 33' Suites should be no problem for the truck you have, but if you want to get a dually, the '11 would be an excellent choice as you describe it. The engine in the '11 was not a 'derated' one, tho the rest of the 450 was basically a 350 with the WideTrack front suspension. If you drive a Ford with the WT front suspension, you will be surprised at the shorter turning radius--I have found this to be a real help in backing into campground spaces.
Having had both SRWs and duallys, the duallys are a little different but easy to get used to, and after getting it, you can get a newer Suites...
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I am curious what is your rear tire max load rating X2 and what is your actual rear axle weight towing the MS?
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Either one will pull your 5th wheel effortlessly. It really boils down as to how much you want to overkill it. If you will be driving it a lot without towing, get the F350. I towed a 20K toyhauler all over AZ and UT, with a F350. I also drove it every day to the tune of 35K mi / year. No way would I drive one with 4.30's like that. We have 4.30's in our company's F550, but we tow a 26K gooseneck with it.
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The main reason we want to upgrade is the 6.7 Ford vs the 6.4 Navistar engine. We currently have 62k on our '09 without any real issues. My folks have a twin sister to our '09 and it's just a more refined package, it's quieter, more hp/tq (as if our 6.4 isn't enough) and it gets better mileage. As for getting by with the current truck, it handles the load fine. We pull at around 65, and if it windy, it's parked. We also want a long box as we have to be very careful with the current short box. I did install Toyo tires rated for just north of 4k each, so we have the tire capacity to carry the coach now, but still over GVW. We also do not carry any water or extra cargo as we do not full time. My thoughts are if I'm going to the effort to find another lwb truck, it might as well be rated to handle the trailer, therefore we are considering a dually. Otherwise there isn't enough incentive to get rid of what we have. As for derated, I was referring to payload vs the '09-'10. Either is sufficient for our use. The other advantage I can see to the 450 is the wide track axle. I specced my Kenworth trucks with a 13.2k wide track for a shorter turning radius. I'm limited on capacity to 12k though as I ordered composite springs to keep the weight down.
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Rear axle weight is currently 7k. Pin weight is 3,500. Again we don't carry water nor everything we own for this reason. With a dually, we could. I also want something safe so my wife and kids would be comfortable pulling the camper. Right now, I handle that detail, and would be glad to let another take a turn.
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Rear axle weight is currently 7k. Pin weight is 3,500. Again we don't carry water nor everything we own for this reason. With a dually, we could. I also want something safe so my wife and kids would be comfortable pulling the camper. Right now, I handle that detail, and would be glad to let another take a turn.
I think you are definitely on that borderline between SRW/DRW. Conventional wisdom is to err on the side of more truck. The stability difference with a DRW will be very noticeable, but it comes with a few penalties. 50% more tires, no car washes, can't fit through a lot of drive-throughs, etc. It's just a matter of how much non-towing driving you will be doing and how much you wish to tolerate.
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His truck tows just fine! The real problem is his truck will not do well in a panic situation!!!
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Stopped by my dealer today to inquire about servicing one of our trucks. Talked to the service manager about the F450. He said it would make us a great truck and the lady that owns it, had it in Jan of this year, to have a few things looked at (new DEF heater, pinion seal, service, etc) and it was just shy of 40k miles. He printed the window sticker for me. I'm a little disappointed it doesn't have the 5th wheel prep. Thats a minor issue, and I'd still rather have a truck with known history. Installing a hitch isn't a big deal, I'd just have preferred the factory system, as it's ready to go. I wish the GVW was higher, (13,050) but this will do the job. It's also a King Ranch, and loaded up with most options, upfitter switches, navigation, rapid heat, dual alternators, white platinum with lower accent paint, chrome pack, remote start, tail gate step, bedliner, and sunroof. My service manager said we could opt for extended warranty. It's also been uprated to the 400hp/800tq, which is plenty for our needs. We will see if we can score this one, if not there are many others out there. Thanks to everyone for their advice.


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