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Old 01-03-2014, 01:15 PM   #15
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Interesting I was watching youtube 'Fast Lane Trucks'. The gas F-250 beat the new Gas 6.4 litre 2500 Ram and also the Chevy 2500 6.0 litre gas engine zero to sixty.
I'm constantly amazed at how drag racing proficiency somehow translates into making a truck a good trailer tow vehicle. I don't see many Class 8 tractors cranking out 10 second quarter miles, but for hauling 80,000 lbs GCW, they are the weapon of choice.

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Rusty - would you buy a 3/4 ton truck that did zero to sixty in 30 seconds? I think not!!!
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No, but a variance of 1 second or so in 0-60 times is irrelevant in my evaluation of a tow vehicle, especially where axle ratios and other factors enter into the equation.

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No, but a variance of 1 second or so in 0-60 times is irrelevant in my evaluation of a tow vehicle, especially where axle ratios and other factors enter into the equation.

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If your short hopping it for camping then by all means go F150. I would scout around for a Max Tow version. It will give you 17-1900 lbs of payload and a little better performance with the 3.73's. Also as you probably know there are some really nice "lite" version TT's out there that would be in the 26-28' range. Keep the TT lite and you won't need a 3/4 ton.
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I'm constantly amazed at how drag racing proficiency somehow translates into making a truck a good trailer tow vehicle. I don't see many Class 8 tractors cranking out 10 second quarter miles, but for hauling 80,000 lbs GCW, they are the weapon of choice.

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x2. My 12 CTD Ram came in 3rd to Ford and GM. I have to leave a day early to get there at the same time.
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x2. My 12 CTD Ram came in 3rd to Ford and GM. I have to leave a day early to get there at the same time.
Cumminsfan, you need to trade for a 2014 ctd Ram, it bests ford and gm then they would have to leave a day earlier than you. LOL
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For what it's worth, I have a 2011 F-150 with the 5.0 V-8. I tow a 29' TT that weighs about 6500 loaded. Soon, I am going to trade up to an F-250 and will go diesel when I do. I am tired of being pushed around by the trailer. It's OK, for now, but I'm retiring someday soon and I'm hitting the road for weeks at a time... I think I will be safer with the better suspension and brakes, not to mention the power. If I was in your place right now, there would be no question for me.
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If your short hopping it for camping then by all means go F150. I would scout around for a Max Tow version. It will give you 17-1900 lbs of payload and a little better performance with the 3.73's. Also as you probably know there are some really nice "lite" version TT's out there that would be in the 26-28' range. Keep the TT lite and you won't need a 3/4 ton.
Max tow, 5.0, 3.73 is exactly the combo I've been evaluating, with a lighter trailer in mind. One other advantage I see in a 250 is the freedom to make a good deal on a used TT without weight being a big restriction. I guess the mpg difference of 150/250 isn't a top line criteria, since towing my "guess" is that a 250 6.2 would be about the same as a 150 5.0, or at least close enough to not be significant. And either truck would not get a lot of usage when we're home.

As a forestry fire patrolman MANY years ago, the first truck assigned to me was a '63 Dodge Power Wagon. With a slip in pump and water tank, utility sides carrying all sorts of stuff, that truck with me on board was probably within 20 pounds of max GVWR. For a motor it had a 225 inch slant six! It was sort of slow on the highways around Reno! I do understand the difference between adequate and abundant power.

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For what it's worth, I have a 2011 F-150 with the 5.0 V-8. I tow a 29' TT that weighs about 6500 loaded. Soon, I am going to trade up to an F-250 and will go diesel when I do. I am tired of being pushed around by the trailer. It's OK, for now, but I'm retiring someday soon and I'm hitting the road for weeks at a time... I think I will be safer with the better suspension and brakes, not to mention the power. If I was in your place right now, there would be no question for me.
Thanks for the info...you're pulling a much longer trailer than I'd ever consider. And we won't be hitting the road for extended times either. Do you think the weight of the trailer pushes you around, or perhaps the combo of weight and a long trailer?

I've driven my BIL's 350 Powerstroke, with a 40' 5er, it handles really well. Unfortunately my pockets aren't that deep!

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For what it's worth, I have a 2011 F-150 with the 5.0 V-8. I tow a 29' TT that weighs about 6500 loaded. Soon, I am going to trade up to an F-250 and will go diesel when I do. I am tired of being pushed around by the trailer. It's OK, for now, but I'm retiring someday soon and I'm hitting the road for weeks at a time... I think I will be safer with the better suspension and brakes, not to mention the power. If I was in your place right now, there would be no question for me.
"I am tired of being pushed around by the trailer." This is exactly why I went from a GMC 1500 to a 2500 Dodge. Brands are choices, drive what you like, BUT when you get past 25 or so feet long and over 6,000 lbs you NEED a heavier truck for stability. I "could" and "did" tow a 9,200 lb trailer with a 1500 truck w/ tow package which weighed 5,500 lbs or 3,700 lbs lighter than trailer. It never felt dangerous, just took more concentration to drive while towing. It took longer to get up to speed getting on the freeway, but went along just fine, and stopped great with properly adjusted trailer brakes. Then I went to a 2500 diesel pickup @ 7,100 lbs or 2,100 lbs lighter than trailer, but 1,600 lbs heavier than the 1500 GMC AND has heavier duty suspension and brakes. Now, the 9,200 lb trailer doesn't push me around anymore. I get there more relaxed now.

You said you were NOT considering diesel, I have real world numbers that MAY sway your decision.
GMC 1500: 5.3L v8, auto, and 3.73 gears = 13 mpg around town/16 Highway doing 55 MAX going to the Fl Keys to and from Homestead (my BEST mileage EVER!).
Towing = 7 mpg
Dodge 2500: 5.9L I6, auto, and 3.73 gears = 16 mpg around town/19+ on the highway doing 65-70 going to the mountains in NC and Tenn., riding in the mountains, and coming home to N.Fl. (3 tanks in a row!)
Towing = 10+ mpg with the same trailer.

At $.80 a gal more for diesel, that is $16 more for 20 gallons (my average fill up with either truck), BUT 3 more MPG X 20 = 60 more miles! 60/7 mpg = 8.57 gallons of gasoline to make up the difference. 8.57 gallons X $3.20 a gallon of gas = $27.42. That is $11.42 cheaper ($27.42 - $16 = $11.42) for diesel going the same miles towing.

Or NOT towing using around town averages, 60/13 mpg = 4.615 gallons of gasoline to make up the difference. 4.615 gallons X $3.20 a gallon of gas = $14.77 OR a mere $1.23 difference ($16 - $14.76 = $1.23) for diesel going the same miles.

I bought a USED 2500 to $ave $. I only came up 2 years newer going from a 2004 to a 2006 truck, but I searched and found a deal on a low mileage truck I can live with for a long time. May be deals in your area too.
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To clarify a bit, I just won't buy a used truck. I do know that diesel's do a better job pulling and get better mpg's doing so, but at a much higher price to buy the truck in the first place. Not going to spend weeks and weeks traveling from one end of the country to the other, so for limited use pulling a light trailer, a gasser will do fine and fit our finances much better.

And bigger is better, particularly if someone opens their pocketbook and buys it for me. With my early retirement from health problems, I cut off 16 years of my best earning potential. Just sayin'!

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PS. In a new F-250, the extra cost of the Powerstroke is $8,315. Too steep for me! LOL
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My F-150 (5.0) mileage runs about 22 mpg on road trips and goes down to about 10.5 towing. I don't think a 3/4 with the bigger engine will come near that when not towing. Towing it will probably be about the same. YMMV

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