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Old 03-11-2006, 11:48 AM   #1
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I'll post this in case any of you fiver/TT pullers use the Ford V-10 as your tow vehicle.

I'm the original owner of this '05 F250 4x4 Lariat w/6.8L V-10. It has 9,100 miles and 210 engine hours on it. Oil changed every 3k miles with full synthetic 5-20.

It developed a noise that sounded like a hydraulic lifter that would not pump up - tick tick tick. If you know what hyd lifter tick noise sounds like, you'll know what I'm talking about

The Ford V-10 does not have hyd lifters - it's an overhead cam engine.

The problem was in the driver's side head. The camshaft thrustbearing end cap cracked in two places and was allowing the camshaft to woller, causing the noise that sounded like a lifter.

The red arrows point to where the cracks are, you can slightly see the bottom crack.

The entire left cylinder head was replaced. An eng rep from Ford came to the dealer to see and take pictures.

To work on the engine of the Super Duty Ford, they don't work over the fender or under the hood. The entire cab is lifted straight up.

Hopefully the pics post okay. I took them with my camera phone on 3/10, so quality is not too good.

Very disappointed in Ford. I also have a '99 V-10 in a Class A Motor Home with 24k miles. The truck has been at the dealer since 17 Feb (that's 23 days, and counting. I think it will be close to complete by 3/13.







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Old 03-11-2006, 11:48 AM   #2
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I'll post this in case any of you fiver/TT pullers use the Ford V-10 as your tow vehicle.

I'm the original owner of this '05 F250 4x4 Lariat w/6.8L V-10. It has 9,100 miles and 210 engine hours on it. Oil changed every 3k miles with full synthetic 5-20.

It developed a noise that sounded like a hydraulic lifter that would not pump up - tick tick tick. If you know what hyd lifter tick noise sounds like, you'll know what I'm talking about

The Ford V-10 does not have hyd lifters - it's an overhead cam engine.

The problem was in the driver's side head. The camshaft thrustbearing end cap cracked in two places and was allowing the camshaft to woller, causing the noise that sounded like a lifter.

The red arrows point to where the cracks are, you can slightly see the bottom crack.

The entire left cylinder head was replaced. An eng rep from Ford came to the dealer to see and take pictures.

To work on the engine of the Super Duty Ford, they don't work over the fender or under the hood. The entire cab is lifted straight up.

Hopefully the pics post okay. I took them with my camera phone on 3/10, so quality is not too good.

Very disappointed in Ford. I also have a '99 V-10 in a Class A Motor Home with 24k miles. The truck has been at the dealer since 17 Feb (that's 23 days, and counting. I think it will be close to complete by 3/13.







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Old 03-11-2006, 01:02 PM   #3
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Wow, what "major surgery"! Obviously, it's not something you can do in your home's garage.

Do you know if lifting the cab off the chassis unique to the V-10, or do they do this with the V-8 and PowerStroke too when serious work like this has to be done?
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Old 03-11-2006, 02:55 PM   #4
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frank P. Martin:
Wow, what "major surgery"! Obviously, it's not something you can do in your home's garage.

Do you know if lifting the cab off the chassis unique to the V-10, or do they do this with the V-8 and PowerStroke too when serious work like this has to be done? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Frank, this is typical for all the new Ford Superduty pickups. I had no idea that was how they did it and figured it was all under the hood and over the fender.

Mechanic said 8 bolts and a few connector plugs, dsconnect the master cylinder and up it goes. It sure made it very accessable, but didn't make me feel any better seeing it like that.

The dealership experience has not been very good, considering I've bought new with them since the late '80s.

I dont' intend to burn any bridges with this dealer, but instead will just walk away when they finish.

1/2 ton trucks get worked on in the vehicle service dept, but F250 and up get worked on in the Truck service department. This is due to the weight requirements on vehicle lifts.

The Ford 6.0L power stroke diesel has been a nightmare for Ford since it came out and replaced the 7.3L a few years ago ('03 first year I think). Ford will intro a 6.4 twin turbo power stroke diesel in 07 or maybe 08. This is one reason the Ford truck service dept is so backlogged, the 6.0L keeps them swamped.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:44 AM   #5
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Thanks, Ned.

I have the old 7.3L engine (108K miles) and, "knock on wood", all my problems so far have not been serious. In fact, the majority have been the inherent problems this generation of truck/engine is known for(i.e. glow plug relay, CPS, clutch linkage, tensioner, etc.). My last repair episode was in January when the A/C clutch bearing needed replaced. Fortunately, My son owns a tool store and he does business with a number of local auto parts stores so I was able to get everything to do the job for a lot less money than had I just purchased the items at the store over the counter.

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Old 03-12-2006, 01:43 PM   #6
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Wow! You guys deleted that one fast. Very alert.Kel.
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:54 PM   #7
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kel:
Wow! You guys deleted that one fast. Very alert.Kel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We try....

Yall keep it "A thoughtful discussion" please.

Pro and con discussions are welcome and encouraged.

Just please don't "Flame".
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thats because i found him out this is not the only forum/web site that this is posted in . knocking the ford truck. the mechanic and the dealer. i have been for 42 years a ford dealer mechanic and find what is being done in this manner very much against my hard working grain and that of every good hard working tech.
we all work very hard and can not help that problems araise behond our control. or those caused by people who have no care for how hard we try to repair their vechicles , how often we have to put a car or truck back together wait for parts to come off back order. do the job again and not get paid for our time. we in many cases have no salary garrenty . meaning we get paid by the job compleated not pushed back out side . we want to fix things the first time not latter on.
this is one major case of problem owners.
sorry to the moderator as i also moderate a mechanics web site ford area it's not a easy job for them. this i know and understand all so well. they "moderators" get the grips for no pay. but this one person has gone out of his way to flame every ford dealer and tech. he can . that has me ******. behond my normal self.
again to the persons who read my first and this very last post i'm sorry .but please give the mechanics a break we have rules to work by and can't bend them with out getting fired
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ned:

The Ford V-10 does not have hyd lifters - it's an overhead cam engine.
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I'm not so sure about this. All of the variations that I have seen of the valvetrain used in Ford's modular engines, including the truck V10's use hydraulic lash adjustors. All of GM's overhead cam engines use hydraulic lash adjustors as well.
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Old 03-17-2006, 03:23 AM   #10
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Alan,
I think you're correct and I probably mis-stated the facts about hyd lifters. I'm told the correct term is valve lash adjusters, which serves the same purpose as a hyd lifter.
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We have the v-10 in our 2005 E-350 van. It seems to do very well. Ours has just over 9700 miles. Picked it up last April 2nd. We have taken it on two bigger trips with our TT, weighing around 7500-8000#. Mpg is between 8.4 and 10.6. Our two bigger roundtrips were 900 miles and 2100 miles towing. We have another long trip planned.

I change the oil and filter every 3-4000 miles.

So far we really like the van and engine. Haven't found a hill or gas station the van didn't like.

Good luck.
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I was in Winsor Canada last year after the National and got a tour of the engine plant at Winsor. They build the V10 there and I was impressed. They build almost 900 engines a day and most of the work done by robot. It is not a high demand engine ,so they only work one shift and five day work week. They do not run them when finished only spin them over, called a cold test. I would buy a Ford but the price has got to be right. It just not happen lately.
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