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Old 07-11-2016, 12:01 AM   #15
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caissiel , curious as to the payload on your '06 F-250. That 5th wheel has at least a 3100# pin weight!
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OP, better to find out before you bought than after! Still sucks though.

PATIENCE.....You found a vehicle that will work once before, so be patient and another one fitting your criteria will pop up somewhere. Good luck.
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:09 PM   #17
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Op... they trucks you desire do exist... I found mine with 32k miles on it for $36k... PO hauled campers with it for 9 mo then got out of the buisness.

A quick cars.com search yielded a few options... there are many more... just not sure where you live.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3868/overview/

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...1409/overview/
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Old 07-13-2016, 05:28 PM   #18
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We have a Dodge 3500, 2014. Just learned it is too high for the 5th wheel we chose. Apparently there are fixes for this situation, but we aren't willing to go there. My understanding is the 2012 and older are a better fit. We are switching to a 2015 Chevy 1 ton, as a neighbor has similar fiver that has successfully been pulled by the Chevy. .
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Old 07-13-2016, 06:20 PM   #19
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What 5er? My 2014 Ram 3500 dually 4x4 fits fine under my Chaparral. Truck comes down 3 or 4 inches.... I have 7" of clearance between the bed rails and trailer... trailer is maybe an inch or two high
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FYI, your 2500 and a equally equipped 3500 are basically the same truck with a different spring rate on the rear end. Although the 3500 uses leaf springs instead of coils, the axles, tires, wheels etc are the same. The reason a 2500 CTD has such a low cargo capacity, and what you showed is more than many, is due to the weight of the engine. Most of that weight is up front. As long as you avoid the auto level you'll probably be just fine. Put some air bags on there and you can tow a bunch. I know a guy who has a very similar equipped Mega Cab like mine with the CTD and his cargo capacity is about 1,000 lbs less than my 6.4 model. It's engine weight.
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Thanks again for your answers to many questions. The engine on the 2500 needed new bearings and a few other things. We decided to walk and are still looking. Thanks for the tips on cars.com. Hopefully, we'll have a truck before our fall camping season begins.
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A lot of bad info in this thread. OP, learn what GAWR, GVWR, GCWR and axle ratios mean.

Find a tow chart and look at the towing weight's and see how axle ratios change the tow ratings.

A 2500 with a 3.42RE is a nice truck for a daily driver and to get groceries in. It is not a serious tow vehicle. Air bags do NOT increase towing capacity, they make a overloaded truck sit level.

DO NOT trust a RV salesman or a Dealership salesman to tell you what you need. You, need to know what you need to safely and legally tow with.
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:59 PM   #23
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A lot of bad info in this thread. OP, learn what GAWR, GVWR, GCWR and axle ratios mean.

Find a tow chart and look at the towing weight's and see how axle ratios change the tow ratings.

A 2500 with a 3.42RE is a nice truck for a daily driver and to get groceries in. It is not a serious tow vehicle. Air bags do NOT increase towing capacity, they make a overloaded truck sit level.

DO NOT trust a RV salesman or a Dealership salesman to tell you what you need. You, need to know what you need to safely and legally tow with.
All RAM heavy duty CTD trucks withe exception of the dual rear wheel option are only available with the 3.42. I'd think that is bad but most all who have them say the tow fine. The gas models have 3 ratio options available. 3.42/3.73/4.10

Using the tow chart for a 2016 Big Horn Mega Cab CTD 2WD (3.42 ratio auto trans) I found the following numbers. (SRW only)

The 2500 has a cargo capacity of 2245 and tow rate of 17150
The 3500 has a cargo capacity of 3933 and tow rate of 17150
That is 1688 lb more cargo capacity for the 3500. Being the axles, tires, wheels are the same I'd say off hand the difference between the two is the rear spring rate. Call me silly but I'd say if you increase the rear spring rate you do indeed increase the cargo capacity. That is the purpose of air bags. Over the road trucks have used them for years to adjust their cargo capacity capability on both trucks and trailers. The cargo capacity max is dictated by the safe load carrying capacity of the suspension, axle, tires and wheels. The tires they put on these are in the 7200 lb range for load, the factory wheels are probably more than that. The spring rate is the difference and that is indeed adjustable. Air Bags effectively change the spring rate on a pickup just like they do on a Freightliner or Kenworth.

The 2500 GAWR is 6500 and the 3500 is 7000. Not sure why this is as the axles are the same with exception of the brackets that mount suspension components. But I'd say you should be able to get a 1,000 lb increase in cargo weight using air bags very easy on a 2500. That would put the cargo capacity above the 3096 lbs a 6.4 Hemi 2500 can haul in the bed by a couple hundred lbs.

I do agree a 3500 is the best bet for most users if they are going out and buying a new truck. But if the math shows your 2500 will be over loaded a couple hundred lbs just get some air bags and fix it.
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My 3500 dually has the 3.42 rear end. It tows great. On flat ground it holds 6th gear very well. When I get into the hills, just drop it down into 5th. The way these are geared with the 68RFE Trans in 5th and 3.42 rear end works out to very close to the same final drive ration as the Aisin Trans in 6th with 4.10 rear end.

I disagree with the previous poster on air bags fixing or adding to the Manufactures specifications, but perhaps he has a bigger engineering diploma than I do.
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All RAM heavy duty CTD trucks withe exception of the dual rear wheel option are only available with the 3.42. I'd think that is bad but most all who have them say the tow fine.
Good points.
Its funny when someone on a RV website is looking for a 3/4 or one ton truck to pull a RV trailer their stuck on payload numbers which older trucks don't have or a GVWR number.

Then when someone on a haulers website is looking for a 3/4 or one ton truck to pull a same gvw commercial trailer were looking at the trucks GAWR numbers.

The newer gen 2500 Ram has 6000/6200/6500 RAWR depending on truck selections.
Thats good for around 2800-3200 lb payload depending the trucks actual scaled unladen rear axle weight.

One of my trucks is a 2500 Dodge/Cummins with a 6000 RAWR. Dodge gave it a 13350 lb tow rating. I pull several heavy trailers with this truck including a 11200+ gross weight 5er. The trucks is a '03 model so it doesn't have a payload sticker which is just a tire placard number anyhow.
The trailer has around 2200 lbs of pin weight which puts the truck 700-800lb under RAWR and 250 lb over GVWR. The truck has no problems with this size trailer nor my 16k triaxle GN stock trailer.

Any 3/4 ton diesel or a new gen gazzer will have no problems carrying or pulling that size trailer.
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While I do not have a engineering degree, I do understand if the tag on the truck says the legal limit for a axle is XX lbs, and you add air bags, the legal limit is still XX lbs. Air bags do not change the axle limit to YY lbs.

Yes, Freightlinner's and such have run air bags for years, but to change the weight on the axles you slide the 5th wheel hitch. Enter the scale, release the hitch lock, hit the truck brakes, slide the hitch forward, put weight on the steer axle, weigh, leave scale, release hitch lock, hit trailer brakes, slide hitch back, go on down the road.

The reason for (In my opinion) for only having a 3.42 axle on SRW trucks is the requirement of the CAFE for the mfg'r. Not that they are good tow ratio's.
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Thanks again for your valued input. You may find this interesting. I found it quite incredulous. I took the cashier's check to the dealer the other day and was told that on the way back from detailing the truck's check engine light came on. Oil was added. Not sure what all went on, but end result is it had to be towed back to dealer and they are going to pull the engine this week to see what it needs, but are thinking it likely needs a new engine. I kept my check. They will let me know if they are going to drop a new engine in it at their expense, but I don't really think this is very likely and wouldn't settle for anything less than a new engine and proof of such. In the waiting game right now and looking at other vehicles.

Unfortunately, the newer (2013) 3500 dually vehicles we have found in our price range ($35k or less) and less than 40k miles are lemon law or factory repurchased vehicles. I am beginning to think we are on an impossible quest.
Interesting statement..."lemon law or factory repurchased vehicles" . Is that just a thought...or is there a way to tell reliably ?
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Batten,
Id be interested in that info, also...
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