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Old 11-17-2015, 05:27 PM   #57
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I had a 2015 GMC 2500 HD and pulled a Cardinal with a 14,500 lb max capacity. The 2500 pulled it fine but I was uncomfortable being close to max with my loaded fiver. I bought a 3500 Dually and noticed more stability and the insurance of four wheels supporting the hitch vs a standard axle. Closely check your hitch weight and decide what is best for you.
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Old 12-06-2015, 03:11 AM   #58
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2015 GMC HD2500 Denali capability

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GMC HD2500 Duramax with GAWR rear of 6200#, GVWR of 10,000# and a curb weight of 6255#.. I have load rated E tires on the truck.

Question is would it be a good TV to pull a 5er weighing 14800# with a TW of 2850#.

It looks like I would be within the manufacturers recommendations.

Am I missing anything that should be a concerned?

I have the same truck...... Chevy version. 2015 Silverado 2500 HD Duramax / Allison 6 ' 6" bed. Mine is 4x4 which makes it heavier from the get go. I have the spray in bed liner and the AMP power steps. You are correct on the 10,000 GVW. Ok, here's where it gets interesting. The "curb weight" that you mentioned is the dry empty weight assuming a 150 lb driver only. Must use horse jockeys in their formulas. I took our truck to a CAT certified scale and weighed it. I weighed it with my wife and myself in it, and full of diesel as this is the definite in the equation . (For the comedians, no we are not fat people). I was stunned that the loaded weight as listed was 8,140 lbs ! That leaves only 1,860 lbs until maxing out GVW. I went with Chevys specs when I ordered the truck.........and they are full of crap on 5th wheel tow ratings. They have since lowered their numbers and I have read where they are now going to lower them more to meet standard tow formula ratings. That said, by the time I would add the 5th wheel hitch itself, maybe some firewood in the bed and whatever else in and on the truck, I would probably only have 1,500 lbs or so of allowable pin weight of a 5th wheel before exceeding GVW. If you will do the same with your truck you will see there is NO way that you can pull that trailer. Will our trucks pull them...........no problem, but not legally and perhaps safely as rated. I see it every day though. The trucks like ours just a few years older only had a 9,200 lb GVW. There was a guy with the 9,200 lb GVW, out here at Lake Mead pulling a huge 5th wheel, with obviously the hitch itself, then a huge toolbox full of tools, and a massive amount of firewood. Had two Honda generators and bragged about how much stuff his wife had in the trailer. He HAD to be 3,000 lbs over GVW. I almost wish I didn't know about all this stuff, but I worked for the largest truck transportation company in the US for 22 years. .............................I apologize for responding to this twice........... I just saw where I responded on October. Not trying to hog the thread.


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Old 12-06-2015, 03:20 AM   #59
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This is what Motor Trend says about the changes in tow ratings:



Now that the 2016 Silverado HD has adopted the SAE J2807, towing and payload have changed across the board, though some ratings remain the same. A 2016 Silverado 2500HD double cab with 4WD and a 3.73 rear axle, for example, is rated to tow 13,000 pounds, which is unchanged from model-year 2015. Towing with a fifth wheel setup, however, is rated at 14,200 pounds, compared to 17,300 pounds before the adoption of SAE testing. The entire Ram lineup switched to the new standard last summer, while Ford isn't completely on board The Blue Oval uses the SAE J2807 ratings for the F-150, but not the F-250 or F-350.

You are exactly correct. I was trying to remember the SAE J 2807 terminology in my other post. Even then, if you assume the pin weight being 20% of that 14,200, you are still looking at 2,840 lbs and full of fuel and people, it STILL doesn't work out. I have three choices, ultralight 5th wheel, stick with a travel trailer, or now buy a bigger truck. Click image for larger version

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Old 12-06-2015, 10:57 AM   #60
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EVERYONE in the truck market, it ain't what it can tow it's what it can CARRY!!!!!!!!!

Look at the RV's GVWR and take 25% of that number for the pin weight. Weigh the truck fully loaded with occupants, hitch feel etc. What is your rear axle weight? Subtract it from rear axle rating. Does the pin weight fall within that number or exceed it?

Don't listen to the "it will tow it just fine" BS, CAN IT CARRY IT?????
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EVERYONE in the truck market, it ain't what it can tow it's what it can CARRY!!!!!!!!!

Look at the RV's GVWR and take 25% of that number for the pin weight. Weigh the truck fully loaded with occupants, hitch feel etc. What is your rear axle weight? Subtract it from rear axle rating. Does the pin weight fall within that number or exceed it?

Don't listen to the "it will tow it just fine" BS, CAN IT CARRY IT?????
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Old 12-06-2015, 11:07 AM   #62
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Old 12-06-2015, 12:30 PM   #63
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When my 2500Ram is loaded and ready to camp I'm 700lbs over the weight used to calculate my payload.

Then you have the guys that claim the only difference between their 3/4 ton and a 1ton is a rating on a piece of paper.

Guys who buy 1/2 and back up to a 30' fifth wheel because Ford tells them they can pull 12,000. never mind they are over payload before even putting a drop of water in the tanks and more so when they throw the fam in.

Guys with 2000's era diesel SRW trucks hauling 40' toy haulers..."I don't even know its back there." never mind they are over GCWR by about 4,000lbs and payload by 1,000.
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Then you have the guys that claim the only difference between their 3/4 ton and a 1ton is a rating on a piece of paper.
Don't know about the later models but on the 06, 07 duramax, the drive train, axles, brakes, frame are pretty much interchangeable (except for the rear leaf springs). I don't have a 5th wheel so I don't really have a dog in this fight.

I said in another thread if overloading (according to paper) a 2500 instead of upgrading to a SWD 3500 was a problem, seem like you wouldn't see that many 2500s towing the larger rigs. I'm just sayin.
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For example, late model Ford super duty. You'll hear some say the only difference is 2" vs 4" block on the axle and everything else is the same.

Springs are same, but 3500 adds overload spring.

Rear end is same, however the axle shafts on 3500 SRW are thicker.
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Rear end is same, however the axle shafts on 3500 SRW are thicker.
This is a paste and copy that gets posted when someone says the F250 and F350 SRW axles are different.

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The axles are identical as is every other part between the 250 and SRW 350. The 250 is de-rated from the factory as are it's axles. The two small differences generally sited between the two, the 4" vs. 2" block and overload spring, can actually be ordered on the 250. The 4" block comes with the FX4 and plow prep and the overload comes with the camper pkg. So, a 250 can be ordered with every part identical to the 350 SRW. Here are the part numbers for a 2012 F250 vs. F350. I chose 2012 but the results are the same if you search any year of the current generation from 11-15.

F250 Left Rear Axle BC3Z4234C
F250 Right Rear Axle BC3Z4234D

F350 Left Rear Axle BC3Z4234C
F350 Right Rear Axle BC3Z4234D

And here are the links to verify:

2012 F250 https://www.silverstatefordparts.com...R%20SUSPENSION


2012 F350 https://www.silverstatefordparts.com...R%20SUSPENSION


Here is a link to the question being asked directly to a Ford engineer when they were on the FTE forums answering questions about the 2015 motor update. They were only there to answer questions about 2015 so the MY is mentioned but is irrelevant as they are all the same. Meet the Team Behind the 2015 Ford F-Series Super Duty, May 1-May 16, 2014 - Page 9 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums
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Correct, every part in the f250/f350 SRW rear axle is the same , including the axle shafts.

Order the F250 FX4 with the camper package and the trucks are identical except for the badges and door sticker.
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I've heard the axle rating on a 2500/3500 GMC is 10,000 lbs per side. Its probably in the same neighborhood for a Ford and Dodge, hence no reason to use different axles between a 3/4 ton and 1 ton.
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Why wouldn't the big 3 save $$ and use the same axles between 3/4 and 1 ton ??? Just use a little less spring, so you get a little better ride with the 3/4 ton, IF you don't need the weight capacity... Makes sense to me,,, and I like it since I just bought a new 3/4 ton....

My axles (2015 Siverado 2500HD 4x4) are rated 5200 front, 6200 rear... But a 10,000 lb GVW , unlike the 1 Ton that "can" have in 2016 11,400lbs... (both are SRW) Hey if you are going to pull a Big 5th wheel,,, get a Dually... We are not....
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My axles (2015 Siverado 2500HD 4x4) are rated 5200 front, 6200 rear... But a 10,000 lb GVW , unlike the 1 Ton that "can" have in 2016 11,400lbs... (both are SRW) Hey if you are going to pull a Big 5th wheel,,, get a Dually... We are not....
6200 are to accommodate the wheels and tires. Be assured the axles and bearing are much higher. With the stress and strain on the axle shaft, a truck wouldnt make a mile off pavement at 3100lbs/side. As best as I can determine, all the big three use Dana axles.
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