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Old 05-09-2016, 03:31 PM   #1
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2016 Dually towing capabilities?

Hi everyone, New here. We are looking at purchasing a new dually from one of the big 3, mostly leaning towards the megacab CTD since it fits in the garage. We would be towing a 20k (estimate max GVWR trailer) toy hauler around Colorado during the summer and out to CA and back twice per year.

I've read all the pertinent reviews online from towing and read people stating that it tows anything with ease, (generic information) etc, and then the match ups on sites where they tow a 27k goose neck up Loveland pass, which is great and all.

I was hoping to get some first hand feedback on how these trucks do on flat ground (can you maintain 65 easily, 70?, 75?, keep up with Semi's on I70 in utah?), how about steep passes? Is the truck screaming to maintain 60? I feel the brakes on all of them are adequate with the addition of exhaust brakes and shouldn't be a problem under 20k. Just trying to get a realistic expectation on the performance of these things. I've towed the same trailer with an 08 F-450, and while the ride/load/braking handling abilities were awesome, the power was weak (and also a 9 year old engine). As far as I'm concerned all the current year big 3 trucks are in the same league so I'd really like the discussion to be centered on how these trucks tow a big 5vr in the 18k-20k range in these types of situations.

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback, its hard to find specific information relating to the current model year trucks.
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Old 05-09-2016, 04:12 PM   #2
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thefastlanetruck did a review of them towing 5th wheels. If I can find the video i'll post it. It mainly came down to the Ford and Ram. Chevys seem to have a weird bounce to the rear suspension that is present on their midsized trucks all the way up to the dually. In a race the Ford will beat the Ram. It just has more horsepower. But I don't trust their engines. The guy over at powerstrokehelp.com says ford builds them to fail around 120k-150k miles. I asked a coworker of mine, a former ford mechanic, and he said it was true. At least prior to 2011 when he did work there. Perhaps their new engine is better.
But really there's just no beating a cummins for reliability.
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Old 05-09-2016, 08:54 PM   #3
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This may help
https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/tow...ing_charts.pdf

The limiting factor on your proposed truck (assuming it's a DRW) is the GVWR of 14,000 pounds. Base weight is 8,202 including a 150# person. Add fuel (7.1#/gal), Hitch (200#), 2 normal people (500-150=350#), gear and 20% pin weight (4,000#) and you're going to be getting real close, if not exceeding, to your GVWR.
Truck+people+fuel+hitch+pin+?
8202+350+284+200+4000=13,036

Add the weight of a tool box and/or transfer tank and extra gear you plan on carrying on the truck plus extra people.

I have a 2012 Ram 3500 DRW 6.7HO 4x4 Auto. I have a 90 gallon transfer tank and a B&W Companion hitch. It's GVWR = 12,300. I pull a 2012 Montana 3100RL GVWR 14,235.

First column is my rating, second is their actual weight.

*********My Truck Yours
GVWR 12,300 12,657 14,000
F Axle 5,500 5,308 5,500
R Axle 9,300 7,349 9,750
GCWR 28,000 23,667 39,100

Trailer
GVWR 14,235 13,920 ~20,000
Pin ******** 2,900 ~ 4,000
Axles ******11,020 ~16,000


Get the actual specs on the trailer you are planning on and go from there.

The Ram will tow it at reasonable highway speeds (e.g. 65 MPH unless your trailer tires are rated higher) but climbing up to the Eisenhower Tunnel, expect to stay in 5th gear.

P.S. Yes I know, I'm 357# over my GVWR.
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On those comparisons, they really don't ever show you all the specs of the truck. There is a huge difference in any truck with the different rear gear ratios. All three usually have a 3.something and a 4.something. Usually 4.10. The 4.10 will start off quicker and pull easier, but will require more rpms at highway speed. The 3.somethings will start off slower but will use less rpm at hwy speed.

Also a larger diameter back tire will lower your final gear ratio. Smaller OD tires seem to be better for towing.

I can say for sure, I've always had a Dodge Cummins and my buddies with he Ford's don't seem to keep them very long and they all say they wish they would have got what I got.
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Get the RAM with Aisin and 4.10's it will do the job nicely. Highly advise the factory rear air ride. 75 MPH is a breeze just be prepared to pay a mileage penalty.

I tow 32,500# combined, RV weighs 23K. Front axle 5,460# rear axle 9,580#. Under on Combined and axle weight ratings. It will hold 55 up and down 6% grades. Honest 9mph all conditions hand calc average at 60mph.

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Wow...looking for a 2016 dually. I am jealous. I have a 2012 F-450. It tows my 15,500lb 5th wheel great. Nice and stable. I probably tow faster than most at 70 - 72mph. If you want to tow a 20,000lb toy hauler at 72 - 75mph to keep up with the other traffic I would stay away from the 4:xx gear ratio and stick with 3:92 or 3:73.

My 4:30 gears prefer 70mph over 75mph.

I have towed a 40' horse trailer with a 2011 Ram 3500 dually and a 37' 5th wheel with a 2012 F-450. The Ford gets slightly better epa mileage. Both trucks are very capable and are a stable towing machine.

Not sure when the new improved 2017 Ford trucks will be available. It might be worthwhile waiting for their release.

Bottom line - any of the 2016 steroid injected dually trucks will make a great choice.
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Thanks for the replies everyone! 12V98, that is a nice looking set up!

I will most likely end up putting larger tires on it for the sand, and potentially stepping up to GY G rated tire, so maybe the 4.10's would work out ok. Sounds like I can expect to slow down a decent amount going up grades, but that's not too bad. We may wait until later this year just to see what 2017 has in store.

Thanks!
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It will be interesting if you will slow down going up some of those mountains but my bet is you will not slow down much. The fancy Ram Truck with all the towing options and the new 2017 super duty Fords should tow just as fast up hill as on the level.

Remember these trucks will have more than 850ft. Lbs. Of torque.
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It will be interesting if you will slow down going up some of those mountains but my bet is you will not slow down much. The fancy Ram Truck with all the towing options and the new 2017 super duty Fords should tow just as fast up hill as on the level.

Remember these trucks will have more than 850ft. Lbs. Of torque.

My 2015 Ram has an alleged 865 torques with the 4.10 gears. I'm slowed down on the hills. Still passing semis, but not able to maintain 65 mph.

I think the 2016 Ram is supposed to have 900 right? I wonder who will be the first to hit 1000. That 2017 SuperDuty looks like it will be a very impressive machine, and it wouldn't surprise me if Ford went for the 1000 mark.
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You can do the 1000 now with a programmer.
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Humm...I do not slow down at all on the mountains in Pa. But I am only towing 15,500lbs with a F-450 with 4:30 gears with a now wimpy 800 ft. lbs. Of torque.

I lost track of the power wars. So Ram has an 900ft. lbs. of torque engine option? If so...wow, very cool.
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Humm...I do not slow down at all on the mountains in Pa. But I am only towing 15,500lbs with a F-450 with 4:30 gears with a now wimpy 800 ft. lbs. Of torque.

I lost track of the power wars. So Ram has an 900ft. lbs. of torque engine option? If so...wow, very cool.


Mountains in PA? You're joking, right?
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Humm...I do not slow down at all on the mountains in Pa. But I am only towing 15,500lbs with a F-450 with 4:30 gears with a now wimpy 800 ft. lbs. Of torque.

I lost track of the power wars. So Ram has an 900ft. lbs. of torque engine option? If so...wow, very cool.

Haha! Yeah, depending how much fresh water I have onboard I'm pulling about 10 grand more than you between my two trailers.

I'd have to look again, as I didn't want to be tempted into getting a 2016 so I stopped looking at them, but I'm pretty sure the 2016 has a bigger axle and some other minor improvements to handle the 900. I thought I read somewhere that they also have a CP4 injection pump, and the jury is still out on those.
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Mountains in Pa are a continual elevation gain and decline of 1,000' to 1,200' over short distances. One road is 1,600' change but that is over 3 miles.

What kind of elevation gains and over what distances is a mountain?
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