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Old 02-25-2018, 01:00 PM   #1
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I have the keystone cougar with a dry weight of about 8000. Currently towing with the Silverado which has a tow limit of 9600. Have done ok so far but concerned. Am looking at the new 2018 with a max tow package, allowing me 13200. I have the equalizer hitch/sway bars on as well. Only husband and I.
What else should I look at and what is the opinion out there?
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I have the keystone cougar with a dry weight of about 8000.
What else should I look at and what is the opinion out there?
Payload capacity is your limiter as to how heavy a trailer you can tow without being overloaded.

You're probably concerned with your Chevy because you at overloading it. And you would also overload the new F-150 unless you bought a very special F-150.

Ignore that 13k tow rating. You'll exceed the payload capacity of the F-150 even with a 10k travel trailer (TT). You can PULL it, but the truck's suspension is not strong enough to handle the hitch weight plus the normal weight of passengers and stuff in the truck.

Your 8k dry TT probably grosses over 9,000 pounds when on the road for an RV trip. Including the weigh of your weight-distributing hitch, that's about 1,250 pounds of hitch weight hanging off the rear end of your truck.

To tow a 9k TT without being overloaded you must have a F-150 with the max tow pkg, order code 53C. That requires the towing monster 3.5L EcoBoost engine, and includes the receiver hitch, increased cooling capacity, integrated trailer brake controller (ITBC), and the 36-gallon gas tank.

But even with the max tow pkg, you cannot load everything you own in the truck when towing. The kitchen sink's in the trailer, but if you haul everything but the kitchen sink in the truck you'll exceed the payload capacity of the truck.

The fix to haul more weight in the truck, or more hitch weight, is the rare heavy duty payload pkg (HDPP). HDPP combined with the 3.5L EcoBoost engine requires the max tow pkg, so with that combo you could probably haul all sorts of campfire wood, tools, toys, cap (camper shell) and other weight in the truck without concern about being overloaded.

But F-150s with HDPP are not usually stocked by dealers, so you probably won't find one in stock. But no problem if you have the patience to order exactly what you want (and are willing to pay for) then wait 6 to 8 weeks for delivery. Surely your Chevy will last another 6 weeks.

But the HDPP option has restrictions. Not available with a shorty bed. Requires 8' bed in a SuperCab or 6.5' bed in a SuperCrew (CrewCab). The fanciest trim level available is Lariat with the base Lariat trim pkg. So if you want luxury more than you get with Lariat base trim, it's not available with HDPP.

And tow mirrors are no longer included in the max tow pkg. But you must have tow mirrors, so be sure your new F-150 has them. Tow mirrors are cheap if ordered in a new truck, but cost an arm, a leg, and your first-born kid if you retrofit the standard dinky little mirrors with tow mirrors from Ford parts. I know. Been there, done that.

If ordering an F-150 sounds like something you 'd like to avoid, then the easy fix is to simply move up a notch to the F-250. Any new F-250 can tow your 9k trailer with no problem, and you can have any cab, bed length, and trim level you want - even the luxury models such as a Platinum.

Good luck in your shopping.
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Do not look at tow limit unless you want to pull a hay wagon out of a hay field. If you never saw a hay wagon think of a red flyer kids wagon. There is no weight at the tongue.

What you want to look at is how much weight you can put on/in the truck.

Do not think you can pull a 13,200 lb camper with a beefed up F-150 either.
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I believe it is 7050 payload and it is the max towing with all the cooling etc
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I have a 2017 F150 with the 3.5l ecoboost. Mine has 2050lbs of available payload. I wouldn't tow a trailer that heavy. The engine would have no problems, but the chassis would have issues.
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I believe it is 7050 payload and it is the max towing with all the cooling etc
The 7050 is the GVWR, not the payload. Payload is GVWR minus the weight of the truck. Probably around 2,000 pounds. Look on the doorframe where you found the GVWR and find the yellow sticker that includes the max payload capacity.

That F-150 with Max tow will have plenty of power and torque to pull a 9k trailer. You'll love it compared to your Chevy. But you'll need to pay attention to the weight you haul in the truck if you don't want to be overloaded.

If you buy that truck, then use the CAT scale liberally. On the first trip with the wet and loaded trailer, stop at a truck stop that has a CAT scale, fill up with gas, then weigh the rig with everybody in the cab. Add the weights on the front and rear axles of the F-150 to get GVW, then compare GVW to GVWR of the F-150. If GVW is less than GVWR, you'll know how much payload capacity you have remaining for more campfire wood in the bed. But if GVW exceeds GVWR, you'll know how much weight you need to remove from the truck - either move some weight to the trailer, or leave it home next trip.
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Thanks so much! I get lost with the gvwr and all those other acronyms, etc. when I tried to use a calculator app for towing, I could not find some of the things needed for that
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Confusing when it says 7000 payload package
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How long is that trailer? Over 30 feet and it will be too much for an F150 even if it were lighter.
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Total of close to 36 ft. Am towing with Silverado 1500 now
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Total of close to 36 ft. Am towing with Silverado 1500 now
Wow......that's gutsy! And too much trailer for that truck!
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Wow......that's gutsy! And too much trailer for that truck!


Which is exactly why I am looking to get another truck. Weight has been fine and we travel fairly dry but...... I never heard anything about length.
And the same old story. TT company and TV insisted it was fine. We haven’t gone any farther than 3 hrs away and no mountains or anything like that so no issues we noticed, but I want to be safe which is why I am asking
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I tow a 31’ overall, 6,500 lb. trip loaded trailer with a 2013 F150 Platinum Screw 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost with Max Tow and a 3.73 EL rear using a quality WDH (Blue Ox Sway Pro) and I would never want to pull anything longer with my F150. Trailers are like having a big sail to catch the wind and the bigger the trailer the bigger the sail and the more you will get pushed around by crosswinds, semis blowing past you, etc.
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