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Jshopes81 · 10-20-2019, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

I agree these trucks are nose bleed expensive and the only truck to buy is the one they discount the heaviest and probably at the model closeout.

I will wait until the dealer lots are full of these new trucks and they have too many...if ever.

I have been able to get $10,000 off MSRP on my last two trucks but have seen $12,000 to $14,000 off MSRP on occasion.

It really helps to have 3 manufacturers to pick from as you can pick the one with the best discount and still get a great truck.

I love walking into a dealer and asking how much. The first response is usually where do i want to be for a payment. That doesnt tell me how much. Salesmen around here are a different breed. One story i love about my grandfather. He negotiated the sale of a car and shook on it. He had to run 10 minutes to the house to get his checkbook to pay in whole for the car. When he got back, the salesmen had sold the car to someone else for a few dollars more. He pulled a dollar out of his pocket, and told the salesman hed better get on the floor like the dog he was and crawl to the dollar. Its a great story in my opinion.

kdauto · 10-20-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Redapple

I had a hard time swallowing the price tag of any of them. Looked at a pretty basic duramax 2500hd and it was 60k. That hurts, Ford is from what I've seen the most expensive, followed by GMC, then Chevy followed by Ram.

Looking at a preowned 2019 Duramax with 1800 miles.

910 ft pounds and 14,5k max towing is just fine for me.

I think for today's trucks it is hard to go wrong. They are all good.

I am guessing you were looking at a 2500HD truck? Just for the heck of it, enter all your criteria but look at the 3500HD series. For whatever reason I appear to find much better deals on duallies than on 2500 series. I think there is some stigma attached to the 3500s being a "big truck" although they are physically pretty much the same. I've seena few brand new 2019 3500HD GMC and Chevy Duallies right around 60k, fully loaded. They also seem to hold their value much longer than any 2500.

Redapple · 10-20-2019, 09:39 PM

Yes we're are looking at 2500hd. This will be my wife's daily driver and drw may be a bit much. Will look at them though to see pricing.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by kdauto

I am guessing you were looking at a 2500HD truck? Just for the heck of it, enter all your criteria but look at the 3500HD series. For whatever reason I appear to find much better deals on duallies than on 2500 series. I think there is some stigma attached to the 3500s being a "big truck" although they are physically pretty much the same. I've seena few brand new 2019 3500HD GMC and Chevy Duallies right around 60k, fully loaded. They also seem to hold their value much longer than any 2500.

consolenut · 10-21-2019, 07:08 AM

still say better the buy a used MDT for leas money and get more truck more GVW. just my opinion.

kdauto · 10-21-2019, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Redapple

Yes we're are looking at 2500hd. This will be my wife's daily driver and drw may be a bit much. Will look at them though to see pricing.
Thanks

3500HD are very available in SRW configuration and often less expensive than similar 2500HD for some reason.

Consolenut: MDT is a totally different animal. There's opening a whole different can of worms with a MDT. In my area, it means totally different licensing (plates) regs, different licensing (driver's license and testing), and lots of hassle on the roads. It means weigh stations, log books and not being allowed to park on city streets in many cities.

I "just" scraped by with a 13 000 GVWR 3500HD truck after arguing with license bureau and provincial police. They almost tagged me as semi truck with 3x annual fees and all the crap I mentioned.

Personally, there are many MDT that I don't care for the styling. It's a LOT of truck unless someone is planning on the huge full time 20k lb+ 5th wheels.

carl.swoyer · 10-22-2019, 11:37 AM

Just jumping in real quick,
Gm is coming out with the 10 speed Allison transmission in 2020.
This should really change the tow #
Numbers.

onechaddude · 10-22-2019, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by carl.swoyer

Just jumping in real quick,
Gm is coming out with the 10 speed Allison transmission in 2020.
This should really change the tow #
Numbers.

It's not actually an Allison transmission. It is "branded" as an Allison. It's the same 10 speed that Ford uses with different electronics. Ford and GM actually built the transmission in a joint effort. Either way, it'll be a strong tranny I'd say with very few problems after they get all the links worked out. As is normal for all new products.

Chad

Rhagfo · 10-22-2019, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Redapple

Yes we're are looking at 2500hd. This will be my wife's daily driver and drw may be a bit much. Will look at them though to see pricing.
Thanks

What are you looking at towing?
If you are looking at big 5er, you might want a DRW, don't go sexiest as both my wife and youngest daughter drive DRW trucks. My daughter also pulls a 30'+ four horse with living quarters GN horse trailer.

Redapple · 10-22-2019, 07:11 PM

Grand Design 315RLTS. 37'11" long, 10995lbs gcwr and most likely 1200 + tw.

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Originally Posted by Rhagfo

What are you looking at towing?
If you are looking at big 5er, you might want a DRW, don't go sexiest as both my wife and youngest daughter drive DRW trucks. My daughter also pulls a 30'+ four horse with living quarters GN horse trailer.

tuffr2 · 10-22-2019, 07:36 PM

Redapple - that is a lot of travel trailer. I also like the Grand Design 315 RLTS. I would look for a GM 3500 just for added capability.

I do not know what the max tongue weight is on the 2500HD but it might be 1,500lbs. By the time you add propane and battery plus stuff in the front storage you might be over 1,500lbs.

I am thinking a 3500 might have 2,000lb capacity for tongue weight.

I know Ford has a heavy trailer towing package where the receiver is 3" instead of 2.5". This package is available on the F-350 but not on the F-250. I do not know the max tongue weight with the 3" receiver.

Bucumi · 10-22-2019, 07:59 PM

I agree with you. I always wait long enough to be able to have lots of options. On my last truck, I was able to get a $12,000 MSRP. very satisfied. Finally have a truck to use at my shop. I like that it has a good towing capacity.

mrgrayaz · 10-22-2019, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

Redapple - that is a lot of travel trailer. I also like the Grand Design 315 RLTS. I would look for a GM 3500 just for added capability.

I do not know what the max tongue weight is on the 2500HD but it might be 1,500lbs. By the time you add propane and battery plus stuff in the front storage you might be over 1,500lbs.

I am thinking a 3500 might have 2,000lb capacity for tongue weight.

I know Ford has a heavy trailer towing package where the receiver is 3" instead of 2.5". This package is available on the F-350 but not on the F-250. I do not know the max tongue weight with the 3" receiver.

2.5" Receiver max tongue weight is 1500lbs/15000lbs, 3" is 2000/20000lbs AFAIK on Fords, I don't know if that's a Ford specific rating or the maximum dependent on the hitch size.

Redapple · 10-22-2019, 10:26 PM

3500 hd does have 2.5 in reciever and 1420lb max wd tw.

I will be using wd hitch so that should help with the tw. I think the biggest limitation would be gawr which for 2020 is around 7300lbs vs 2500hd which is 900lbs less. Think 2019 is the same.

Got my work cut out for me boys..

AJE · 10-24-2019, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

I was able to find the cargo capacity of the SRW GM 3500 trucks. The Diesel 3500 GM trucks have a payload of around 3,700lbs.

I am hoping the new Ford 7.3 gas F-350 will have a cargo capacity around 4,000lbs.
That way I can easily tow a mid profile 5th wheel if I want to.

I saw a video of TFL towing 16,000lbs up the Ike Gauntlet with both the 6.6 Duramax and 6.6 gas trucks. The Duramax did it in 8 minutes and 10 seconds. The 6.6 gas engine struggled with that much weight and made it up the mountain in 10 minutes and 20 seconds if I remember correctly. It slowed to 25 mph and to me was disappointing. I hope the Ford 7.3 gasser can do the mountain in 8 minutes 45 seconds.

I love those tests but they intentionally don't take advantage of the manual shift feature, instead letting the truck do it's own thing. I have always been curious how much better they could do by selecting the gear to allow them to keep in the lower gear when the mountain gets steeper.