2020 Trucks - will change towing capability

[tuffr2]

I just watched a YouTube video of a 2020 Chevy 2500 Duramax LTZ trim level truck. Anyway the payload on this truck was 3,351lbs. Yes, a diesel 2500 LTZ Chevy. I will need to look at these trucks to see what they are all about.

The rear axle is 6,600lb capacity with a GVWR of 11,350 lbs. The last I looked the F-250 was at 10,000lbs and a SRW F-350 at 11,500lbs.

I have now seen two video testers that say the truck is amazingly quiet and rides good.

With the Ford 2020 trucks ready to come out I will be interested in their increased capability, especially a 7.3gas SRW F-350.

Anyone have a 2020 GM truck and if so, how do you like it? I know the auto workers strike stopped the rollout of this truck a few did reach the dealer lots.

[Rhagfo]

It appears that GM is reclassifying their 2500's as Class 3 trucks (Class 3 can have up to a 14,000# GVWR). This is going to really shake things up a bit. They may also be doing what Dodge/Ram did from 1994 to 2002, when they didn't produce a SRW 3500. They have upped the 3500 GVWR from 13,025 to 14,000#.



Ford and Ram both still have 3500 SRW with I believe 12,400# for the Ford and 12,300# for the Ram.


GM is may be creating a big GVWR hole between a 2500 with a 11,350# GVWR and only have a 3500 with DRW at 14,000# GVWR. I might need to go look at GM's sites to see if the 3500 SRW is still an option in 2020.

[kylemcmahon1]

Originally Posted by Rhagfo

It appears that GM is reclassifying their 2500's as Class 3 trucks (Class 3 can have up to a 14,000# GVWR). This is going to really shake things up a bit. They may also be doing what Dodge/Ram did from 1994 to 2002, when they didn't produce a SRW 3500. They have upped the 3500 GVWR from 13,025 to 14,000#.



Ford and Ram both still have 3500 SRW with I believe 12,400# for the Ford and 12,300# for the Ram.


GM is may be creating a big GVWR hole between a 2500 with a 11,350# GVWR and only have a 3500 with DRW at 14,000# GVWR. I might need to go look at GM's sites to see if the 3500 SRW is still an option in 2020.

For 2020 they still offer a 3500 srw. You can build and price one now on there site.

[Tim_T]

here's a spec sheet for the 2020 Fords
2020 superduty spec sheet from a Ford media site. It was published a few weeks ago when the diesel performance numbers came out.

I wish they'd start building them.

[tuffr2]

I was able to find the cargo capacity of the SRW GM 3500 trucks. The Diesel 3500 GM trucks have a payload of around 3,700lbs.

I am hoping the new Ford 7.3 gas F-350 will have a cargo capacity around 4,000lbs.
That way I can easily tow a mid profile 5th wheel if I want to.

I saw a video of TFL towing 16,000lbs up the Ike Gauntlet with both the 6.6 Duramax and 6.6 gas trucks. The Duramax did it in 8 minutes and 10 seconds. The 6.6 gas engine struggled with that much weight and made it up the mountain in 10 minutes and 20 seconds if I remember correctly. It slowed to 25 mph and to me was disappointing. I hope the Ford 7.3 gasser can do the mountain in 8 minutes 45 seconds.

[Rhagfo]

Originally Posted by kylemcmahon1

For 2020 they still offer a 3500 srw. You can build and price one now on there site.

Care to share a Link, when I tried it was still 2019’s.

[Rhagfo]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

I was able to find the cargo capacity of the SRW GM 3500 trucks. The Diesel 3500 GM trucks have a payload of around 3,700lbs.

I am hoping the new Ford 7.3 gas F-350 will have a cargo capacity around 4,000lbs.
That way I can easily tow a mid profile 5th wheel if I want to.

I saw a video of TFL towing 16,000lbs up the Ike Gauntlet with both the 6.6 Duramax and 6.6 gas trucks. The Duramax did it in 8 minutes and 10 seconds. The 6.6 gas engine struggled with that much weight and made it up the mountain in 10 minutes and 20 seconds if I remember correctly. It slowed to 25 mph and to me was disappointing. I hope the Ford 7.3 gasser can do the mountain in 8 minutes 45 seconds.

Don’t bet on it, gassers lack the required raw torture to move the load.
Diesel fuel has more raw power the gas, and last but not least is the gas is normally aspirated the diesel is turbocharged. A NA has engine looses about 3% of sea level power per 1,000’ of elevation, so at 11,000’ the gas has lost 33% of its power. The diesel has lost some power but not much.
If you want to move a heavy load up a hill easily get a diesel.

[tuffr2]

Yep, I know all about elevation and thin air and N/A engines vs turbo engines and elevation. Seems N/A engines loose 3% power per 1000' foot of elevation gain while a turbo will lose less than 1/2 that power. I think I read turbo diesel will lose about 1% of it's power per 1,000" or not much.

On paper, the Ford 7.3 gas engine is not very much more powerful than the GM 6.6 gas but hoping the 10 speed will make a difference in the Ford. The GM 6 speed did not play well with the their new gas engine and would not downshift in the TFL testing so the shift points need to be reprogrammed.

I had a 2012 diesel Superduty so I know all about the towing power. I also know that the gas engine will be more refined then the diesel making the truck a much better solo driver. Not only that but the heavy diesel engine is way more complex. My super duty went thru front tires like crazy. And I was always nervous of having a problem with the emission system which I did not...whew.

[kdauto]

If time trials loaded up to the gills at high altitude is your only cncern get a turbodiesel, no gas engine will compare unless they start making 20 speed transmissions.

If you are more like normal people, you start factoring in a bunch of stuff. Cost of purchase, cost of ownership, maintenance, reliability...

There's a lot more to a truck than racing or advertised numbers. Case in point is some brands advertising 10% lower rated HP and/or torque specs as well as lower max towing specs still pull loads easier and even faster than those that boast higher numbers.

A lot more things are important, cooling is a big one. I still run my stock everything underhood, even the rad. Never got engine over 210F, tranny stays cool. I've seen big rigs and newer, supposedly "heavy Duty" trucks with busted rads and overheating with a big load. They got numbers and speed though.

[Jshopes81]

The trans could make a big difference. It depends on how they program it. One thing ive noticed about the 68rfe in the dodge, it will lug the motor down pretty good before it drops a gear. If im running hammer down in tow haul mode i want rpms. So, we know theyre programming them like this, i just cant understand why.

[tuffr2]

I stopped by my local Chevy dealer to look at a 2020 2500HD yesterday but with the GM strike they did not have any. So I looked at the 2019 Chevy 1500.

I guess for me, the bottom line will be pay load. The 2019 Chevy 1500's had payloads of around 2,000lbs. (1,850 to 2,100lbs). And these trucks were big.

I would now say with the new GM payloads that a GM 1500 truck can tow an 8,000lb travel trailer and a GM 2500HD truck can now tow a mid level 5th wheel.

On a side note the new 2020 GM 2500HD crew cab short bed trucks now have an increased 159" wheelbase. My 2017 F-250 crew cab short bed has a 160" wheelbase. So Ford is ahead of the curve.

[kylemcmahon1]

Originally Posted by Rhagfo

Care to share a Link, when I tried it was still 2019’s.

I just went to chev site and and went to trucks. There was an option for 2019 and 2020. I clicked 2020 then clicked build and price on the 3500 srw. I had a harder time trying to build and price a drw.

[Redapple]

I had a hard time swallowing the price tag of any of them. Looked at a pretty basic duramax 2500hd and it was 60k. That hurts, Ford is from what I've seen the most expensive, followed by GMC, then Chevy followed by Ram.

Looking at a preowned 2019 Duramax with 1800 miles.

910 ft pounds and 14,5k max towing is just fine for me.

I think for today's trucks it is hard to go wrong. They are all good.

[tuffr2]

I agree these trucks are nose bleed expensive and the only truck to buy is the one they discount the heaviest and probably at the model closeout.

I will wait until the dealer lots are full of these new trucks and they have too many...if ever.

I have been able to get $10,000 off MSRP on my last two trucks but have seen $12,000 to $14,000 off MSRP on occasion.

It really helps to have 3 manufacturers to pick from as you can pick the one with the best discount and still get a great truck.