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Old 09-17-2019, 08:59 AM   #1
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According to TFL Truck, "you should still be able to handle this...."

https://www.tfltruck.com/2019/09/can...ailer-ask-tfl/

Looks like terrible advice. Wet pin weight alone will be over payload... possible WAY over. Then add people, hitch, gear, etc. and there is no way you wouldn't be over RAWR of 7200#. Hard to believe a magazine could publish such an inaccurate, misleading article.
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:26 AM   #2
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One thing I do not like about TFL truck is they never tow a big 5th wheel or travel trailer. They are always towing trailers with a much smaller profile. They like to tow cargo trailers and on occasion a horse trailer. Again, they never tow a full profile 5th wheel. If they did they may not make this conclusion. A SRW Truck will feel a bit squirrely towing that 5th wheel.

So I agree, bad advice.
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:24 AM   #3
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It's horrible advice, unless the guy is going to haul around an empty trailer with nothing at all in it. The 397 is listed at 3375 lbs of pin weight, which doesn't even include the propane and battery or batteries....much less loading it up with everything you take when going camping. Then adding on the weight of passengers, a 200 lb 5ver hitch, maybe a toolbox with tools in the bed and he is now overloaded on payload, which automatically makes the truck over the GVWR. Again, absolutely horrible advice from folks that apparently know little to nothing about carrying big 5th wheel camping trailer. If there was ever a case for a Dually tow vehicle, the G.D. Momentum 397 is it. I personally own a Momentum 394M, which has almost identical numbers and a matching 20K GVWR. There is NO WAY I would ever consider towing it with a SRW truck of any brand that only had a measly 4150 lbs of payload. Insanity!
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Even I would not do that!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-17-2019, 04:28 PM   #5
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your DRW territory maybe even 450 to be safe. Start adding stuff and you grt heavy in a hurry. This is providing it comes at the specified weight. Some 5vers the pin weight it grossly understated. A cat scale is your friend. My 5ver was spec 4590 pin in truth it was 5500 scaled weight. and as it sits now im floating aroubd 6200. Take published numbers grain of salt. 20% of 20k is a starting point in which to start calculating truck size.
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I have a 5100# pin. Bowed 3500 springs backwards.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:26 AM   #7
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Yea, TFL Truck publishes some pretty bad info sometimes. They certainly aren't as infallible as many people think they are. Mythbusters is the same. Most of what they do is good, but they've got some pretty bad goofs.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:45 PM   #8
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C'mon man! It pulls just fine

Sad part is someone will use this to justify a horrible setup. That's some bad advice alright
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It's horrible advice, unless the guy is going to haul around an empty trailer with nothing at all in it. The 397 is listed at 3375 lbs of pin weight, which doesn't even include the propane and battery or batteries....much less loading it up with everything you take when going camping. Then adding on the weight of passengers, a 200 lb 5ver hitch, maybe a toolbox with tools in the bed and he is now overloaded on payload, which automatically makes the truck over the GVWR. Again, absolutely horrible advice from folks that apparently know little to nothing about carrying big 5th wheel camping trailer. If there was ever a case for a Dually tow vehicle, the G.D. Momentum 397 is it. I personally own a Momentum 394M, which has almost identical numbers and a matching 20K GVWR. There is NO WAY I would ever consider towing it with a SRW truck of any brand that only had a measly 4150 lbs of payload. Insanity!
XRated, I agree, but I think it could be done as the 5er is triple axle TH, pin will not change too much, lightly loaded TV, scary but might make numbers.
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XRated, I agree, but I think it could be done as the 5er is triple axle TH, pin will not change too much, lightly loaded TV, scary but might make numbers.
Depends more on placement of the axles to midship. if there placed rearward pin weight goes up triple axle or not. I have 3 axles backward of midship and my pin weight is crazy. My last fiver axles were close to mid ship and about 2k less on the pin.
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Your right, they do like their small trailers, and they do make some puzzling conclusions - the other day they did a Gas F-150 vs a Diesel F-250 fuel economy loop and were completely puzzled that the F-250 only did less than 10% better mileage....nevermind large differences in GCW...

I spend a lot of time in Denver (used to live there) and do Ike pass all the time - like 4 times in the last month so far... I'd love to sit down with those guys and chat. Maybe next time I'm in town.

That said, there is a gentlemen over on Ford-trucks.com who has a triple axle toy hauler with a SRW and swears he is under all ratings - its a shorter toy hauler IIRC, and the axles are very much midship - so he may very well be correct. Just another reason why generalizations don't work in this world...
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This whole thing reminds me of, "half-ton towable 5th wheels." Yeah, it's "possible" under some very specific circumstances that almost no one would ever travel under. The real problem is we all expect this type of thing from manufacturers. It's sad to see magazines getting into the game.
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Pin weight aside, you need the extra stability and contact patch of a duelly over 16,000.
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Pin weight aside, you need the extra stability and contact patch of a duelly over 16,000.
Couldn’t agree more, would not do it myself. If the axles are placed near center, and loaded correctly it could be within numbers.
Definitely not to my liking!
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