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Old 02-17-2016, 05:58 PM   #29
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"Now if only the price of diesel at the pumps was less than gas!"

Most places it is!

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Old 02-17-2016, 06:52 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by Cummins12V98 View Post
"Now if only the price of diesel at the pumps was less than gas!"

Most places it is!
Seriously, let's not exaggerate. Gas is cheaper in most places. Look at Gasbuddy.com for yourself.

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Old 02-17-2016, 06:57 PM   #31
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Do we really need to start fighting over the price of diesel vs gas? Some folks just gotta be more right, I suppose.

Take the fuel price fight to it's own thread, please. So it can get shut down and this one won't.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:19 PM   #32
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There 35% more energy in diesel fuel, making it a better value. To bad that the newer engines have so much equipment killing the diesel advantage.
But the diesel option is about the same price as the Ford optional camera kit. And the value cannot be compared.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:52 PM   #33
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To my friends that ask me about diesel vs gas, I tell them that unless they need the pulling power of the diesel, just go gas. They have to decide if they need it or not. There are diesel vs gas debates all over the net.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:55 PM   #34
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I think that 35% more power from diesel than gasoline is too high. I know diesel has more BTU than gasoline but I always thought it was more like 18 - 20%.

I am talking about at sea level. Now as you increase elevation a gasoline non turbo engine will lose 3% of it's power per 1,000ft in elevation gain.

A turbo diesel engine is far less affected by elevation gain.

The discussion of diesel/gasoline should take elevation into account IMHO.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:59 AM   #35
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The difference between the various fuels for energy content, including compared to a gallon of gasoline, is right here folks:

No doubt someone will dispute it. Someone always has to. :(
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:35 AM   #36
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Thanks 1bigmess...this info is probably the best we can get. But from this chart it is not clear if they are using E10 gasoline or pure gasoline. Reading between the lines running E10 is 97% as good as pure gasoline.

I know a few station that sells pure gasoline. I think I will try a few tank fulls just to see if I get approx. 1 mile per gallon more than running E10.

People in the high elevation of the western states 4,000' - 8,000' should see their trucks run stronger at sea level and visa versa.

Turbo Diesel engines are currently the best engines to run at the higher elevations as they lose the least power. Then turbo gasoline engines.

A turbo diesel engine running at 5,000' elevation is probably producing 35% more power from a gallon of diesel then a non turbo gasoline engine is from a gallon of gasoline.
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As has happened way too many times and dissolved into a gas vs diesel 'discussion'. The OP asked whether a 250 or 350 would be best.

An F250 vs an F350 is a matter of only a few dollars and in many cases, virtually only a 'B' pillar sticker. But with that said, it's only in the purchase price. You also have to consider insurance and maybe, like my state of NY, the costs of inspection if it's a diesel ,as well as the registration costs. 1 ton pick ups may get you into a whole different category. With the correct option boxes checked, you can outfit an F250 to meet or exceed a bunch of the 'run-of-the-mill' F350s but stay in the lower, less then the accepted (NY State at least) 10,001 pound capacity break over point. The most significant difference in a Ford F250 and an F350 is that sticker and 4" rear suspension blocks and maybe a set of overload springs. Taking my own truck as an example - rated for 10K pounds by that sticker. But when you actually look at spring part numbers it has 6000 pound front springs and 6100 pound rears plus overload leafs. It hauls our sig unit nicely though I did put air bags on to level it up.

Diesel vs gas - beaten to death. If your trailer weighs less then 10K, a 6.2 gas engine works well and is $8800 less expensive. If you only tow a few times a year for max, a couple thousand miles, a gas engine is just fine - and, repeating myself again, $8800 less purchase price. If you really lust for a rattlin' diesel, go buy a truck with one but be prepared for hundred buck plus 13 quart oil changes every 5-7K miles and hundred buck plus fuel filter changes every other oil change time if you are not a DIYer and fuel prices somewhat higher then gas but really mostly offset by better mpg.

When you make up your mind, these are things to consider:
- 5th wheel option with or without Ford's Reese hitch (a B&W works well too for less of your dollars)
- sway bar
- higher suspension rates with overload leafs
- long bed (many reasons but one very important, 39 gallon fuel tank vs a 29 for the SB)
- Highest capacity 18" wheel and tire combo. 20" tires are $$$

Whatever you decide, let us know. You can never have too much truck
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Just to add fuel to the fire. I am that one guy that pulls a 9000# trailer with a 5.7L Ram 1500. We deliberately chose our Denali 298RK because of the capacity of the truck (which we already had) and the GVW of the trailer. We have no plans to drag our trailer I up to Montana or the Rockies (lived there long enough). But, for pulling through the Deep South and into Texas it works just fine.

All that said, I would not pull anything larger than this with the 1500. Since you are looking for trucks, get as much truck as you can afford. It will serve you well in the future and not limit your trailer choices so much.
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:41 PM   #39
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OK you asked why? 3500 trucks properly equipped will ride nearly as well as a 2500. 3500 trucks have more real world load carrying capacity, upgrade today or upgrade when you decide on a bigger trailer. And bottom line, going full time you will be at or very near your gross weights on everything. Being full time means taking everything you own with you. Even paring down to bare minimum your still going to have lots and lots of stuff, meaning lots of weight. Dont let a few dollars potientially cost you big bucks in the future.
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Just some information/observation:
This is from Rambodybuilder.com. Specs on 2014 Ram 2500's and 3500's
I would guess the 2014 and 2016 are very close.

Frame specs: The specs both 2500 and 3500 in all forms are the same.

Front axle capacity 2WD models: 5,000 lbs 2500, 5,500 lbs 3500
Front axle capacity 4WD models: 5,250 with the 5.7, 5,500, with the 6.4, 6,000 with the CDL on both 2500 and 3500

Rear axle capacity 2WD models: 6,200 lbs 2500, 7,000 lbs 3500 SRW 9,750 DRW
Rear axle capacity 4WD models: 6.010 2500, 6,200 3500 SRW, 9,350 DWR

Of course tire capacities can vary as much as the available tire options from the factory run. But looking at apples to apples I do know the 3500 SRW Rams with the 18" Firestones on them use the same tire I have on my 2500. The load rating on them is 3,640 lbs IIRC.

I don't think they actually use 3 different front axles on the 4WD models, those capacities have to be due to different springs for different weights of engines.

Front axle capacity is the same on all models. Differ from 2WD to 4WD.
Rear axle capacity on a 2WD SRW 3500 is only 800 lbs more than a 2500.
Rear axle capacity on a 4WD SRW 3500 is only 190 lbs more than a 2500.

Using a Ram Mega Cab short bed 4X4 as an example:

6.4 Hemi 4:10 gears:

The 2500 has a cargo capacity of 2,903 lbs tow capacity of 15,250
The 3500 has a cargo capacity of 4,375 lbs tow capacity of 15,500

6.7 CDL 3;42 gears: (I am using the SRW 3500 model only)

The 2500 has a cargo capacity of 1,995 lbs tow capacity of 15,200
The 3500 has a cargo capacity of 4,273 lbs tow capacity of 16,800

Unless someone can correct me the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW units is the rear suspension. Same axles, same frames, same tires.

It's all about the springs.
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It just sounds so much cooler to pull into a campground with a diesel. Go for the sound.....it won't disappoint.

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