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Old 09-09-2015, 10:53 AM   #1
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2500 vs 3500 diff?

I'm shopping for a new tow vehicle. This question is specifaclly focused on a Ram 2015 or 16, but I'd like input on the GM chassis also... The way I understand it, (on the Ram) the axles brakes etc are the same between the 2500 and 3500 on the SRW... Just the springs are different... Is this correct ???? (Cummins) I found I can add through a local shop rear air bags (IF needed) to a 2500 Ram for about $900 installed with the compressor... No plans for now of a big heavy 5th wheel,,, but maybe a decent one... Thanks very much for your input.... Geez, a local Ram dealer made it hard to walk away yesterday.....
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The 3500 SRW RAM trucks are a different animal more so than the GM and Ford trucks.

Chart for the 3500's

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The 3/4 and 1 ton SRW trucks from all of the big three and almost identical as far as engine, trans, brakes, frame, axles, etc with only small changes to spring rates but if you are worried about what the manufacturers weight ratings are, get the 1 ton SRW because they are only a little more money.
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That may have been true on the Ram trucks up until the 2013.5 models were introduce. Then everything changed; frames and suspension units are different now. The AAM 11.5 axle are the same except that the 2500 and the 3500SRW truck only offers the 3:42 gear set in them. When you go with the 3500 dually you will have the option to have different gear sets. Also the max tow package offers AAM 11.8 differential and the AISIN transmission.

This is from Turbo Diesel Register .com and I quote "Ram 2500 and 3500 Heavy Duty trucks also add new innovation, including a 5-link coil suspension with optional air suspension on Ram 2500 and a supplemental air bag suspension option on Ram 3500. Additionally, Ram is the only truck manufacturer to feature SAE J2807 compliance across light-duty and heavy duty truck segments. " end quote.

To learn more please visit the web site of TDR and read the home pages

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Here you max gross weight cannot be changed without an engineer signing off... Basically if you get 2500 and up the suspension does not make it a legal 3500...
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Here you max gross weight cannot be changed without an engineer signing off... Basically if you get 2500 and up the suspension does not make it a legal 3500...
Manufacturer ratings have nothing to do with being "legal". As far as Fords go there is nothing mechanically different between the F250 and F350 SRW trucks if the F250 is ordered with the towing package to get the overload spring and taller lift block. Even though the two trucks would be exactly the same, the ratings are different.
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Here you max gross weight cannot be changed without an engineer signing off... Basically if you get 2500 and up the suspension does not make it a legal 3500...
All that IL cares about with any 2500 or 3500 truck is; DOES THE TRUCK HAVE THE PROPER LICENSEE PLATE FOR THE LOAD IT IS CARRYING/pulling and proper tires to support the load.

My son's 2500, 2006 Ram Crew Cab, LB, 5.9L Cummins has a D-plate with a registration weight over 18,000 lbs. My 2008, 2500, 6.7L Cummins Mega Cab, SB has a B-plate with a registration plate for under 8,000 LBS. I am an RV'er and pull my fifth wheel trailer and he pulls a work trailer that is the big difference. He also needs to hit the scales and I do not.

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Thanks everybody... After some looking,,, and have some dealers looking, the 3500 SRW's are pretty rare as most want a dually...(at least outfitted like I want) Thinking I'll go back to a 2500 .... Even if we get a 5th wheel,, I can't see it being a Big one that a 2500 would have trouble with ... Monkey
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Thanks everybody... After some looking,,, and have some dealers looking, the 3500 SRW's are pretty rare as most want a dually...(at least outfitted like I want) Thinking I'll go back to a 2500 .... Even if we get a 5th wheel,, I can't see it being a Big one that a 2500 would have trouble with ... Monkey
I just bought a 3500 dually. Seems the SRW is a unicorn in 1 ton long bed. I could not find one other than tradesman package.
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I just bought a 3500 dually. Seems the SRW is a unicorn in 1 ton long bed. I could not find one other than tradesman package.
Same here,,, wanted more options than the Tradesman... I'd like a short bed crew cab, but,,, still rare....
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A dealer did find me a short bed crew cab 3500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins about 100 miles away they were willing to get for me,,, (right color) but it didn't have the spray in bed liner, side steps OR the cab clearance lights I want... The first two things I have no real problem having a dealer do,, BUT I just couldn't see someone (who Possibly didn't care) drill holes in a brand new truck to install the lights,,, not to mention tearing down the new headliner for wiring... No rush,,, I'll keep looking... Monkey
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All that IL cares about with any 2500 or 3500 truck is; DOES THE TRUCK HAVE THE PROPER LICENSEE PLATE FOR THE LOAD IT IS CARRYING/pulling and proper tires to support the load.

My son's 2500, 2006 Ram Crew Cab, LB, 5.9L Cummins has a D-plate with a registration weight over 18,000 lbs. My 2008, 2500, 6.7L Cummins Mega Cab, SB has a B-plate with a registration plate for under 8,000 LBS. I am an RV'er and pull my fifth wheel trailer and he pulls a work trailer that is the big difference. He also needs to hit the scales and I do not.

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Jim.. As a fellow IL resident, be care running around on a B plate. If something were to happen for the worst it could be a big issue as that is not the legal plate for that truck. The plates are supposed to go off of GVWR of the truck... Clearly an 08 2500 has a GVWR over 8000.
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Jim.. As a fellow IL resident, be care running around on a B plate. If something were to happen for the worst it could be a big issue as that is not the legal plate for that truck. The plates are supposed to go off of GVWR of the truck... Clearly an 08 2500 has a GVWR over 8000.
As long as the plate is good for the actual gross weight of the truck he is good, not gvwr but actual. As long as he pulls a recriational vehicle, boat, rv, personal trailer he is fine. If the truck were in a business name doing business work that's a different story.
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As long as the plate is good for the actual gross weight of the truck he is good, not gvwr but actual. As long as he pulls a recriational vehicle, boat, rv, personal trailer he is fine. If the truck were in a business name doing business work that's a different story.
Not sure I follow Wild...

Let's assume you are correct, and it goes by actual weight of the truck... My truck without the camper is nearly 7,700lbs... You can bet he is over 8,000 hauling much more than groceries. Also state law could care less if it is recreational, personal, or business... anything over 8k has to be a D plate. period.
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