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Old 12-29-2015, 01:20 PM   #15
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Today I learned what a Trailer Toad is!
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:44 PM   #17
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Today I learned what a Trailer Toad is!
Good for you!

A trailer toad allows you to just about ignore GVWR and payload capacity of your tow vehicle (TV), and do all your worrying about GCWR and tow rating.

But let's do the math.

For example, a 2015 F-250 CrewCab 4x2 diesel has a GCWR of 23,500 pounds and fifth-wheel tow rating of 16,000 pounds. That means that the F-250 can tow a 16k trailer without exceeding he GCWR only when the wet and loaded F-250 grosses 7,500 pounds or less. That's not real world, so let's load the truck with 5er hitch, driver, sweetheart, toolbox, jack and jack base, and a full tank of fuel. Now our TV weighs 8,500. 23,500 minus 8,500 truck weight leaves 15k actual maximum tow rating.

But the average 15k 5er is going to have 17% to 19% pin weight, maybe more. 17% of 15k is 2,550 pounds of pin weight. The GVWR of that pickup is 10,000 pounds, and it weighs 8,500 wet and loaded, leaving only 1,500 pounds for maximum pin weight. So forgetabout that 15k 5er.

But wait. If we had a Trailer Toad, our hitch weight on the truck would drop down to only a coupla hundred pounds, at most, or way below our 1,500 pounds max hitch weight. The remainder of that 2,550 pounds pin weight would be on the Trailer Toad, not on the truck.

But still more math required. Our max trailer weight is 15k so we don't exceed the GCWR of the F-250. But we must subtract the weight of the Trailer Toad from that 15k to get an actual max gross trailer weight. If the Trailer Toad weighs 2,000 pounds, that leaves 13k as the absolute max wet and loaded weight of the 5er.

What a difference a few years and a Trailer Toad make. My '99.5 F-250 CrewCab 4x2 diesel was overloaded with my 5er that grossed 7,900 pounds. And now I'm explaining how you can tow a 13k 5er with a new F-250 diesel and not exceed the GVWR or GCWR of the tow vehicle, assuming your wet and loaded F-250 CrewCab diesel grosses less than 8,500 pounds. (Mine grosses about 8,000, but they have grown heavier since 1999.
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I don't think you are going to find a decent low mileage truck in your price range that won't be over on the GCWR. Many on here will tell you to strictly adhere to the manufacturers ratings. While I mostly agree with that there are some situations where it may not be practical. A lot depends on your towing experience and where you plan to tow.

If I were in your situation and I had just about any 3/4ton or better truck made within the last 10 yrs or so I would make sure I upgraded the receiver add timbrens or airbags and GO CAMPING.
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Hire someone in ca. to pull it to texas for you.
This is the best advice in this thread. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you're a complete newbie cutting his teeth on a 40' bumper pull through freeway traffic?

We all have to start somewhere, but this is like a person taking their drivers exam in a charter bus.
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final update, thanks for everything!!

Update, decided to go all in and purchase a 2011 F-450. Way over budget but will figure that part out later. Right now, I just want to be safe. Thanks for all the information. Its been a long 2 weeks in California and we are planning on heading out tomorrow or Tuesday. I listed my 7.3 Excursion on Cars.com and Craigslist and received a call from someone that wanted it right away. The trailer toad is at the dealer in Southern California if anyone wants it. It has a total towing distance of less than 10 miles, pretty much brand new. Would love to sell it if yall know someone that wants it. I am going to leave in the early morning hours so that i can get out of California with as little traffic as possible.

You might get a kick out of my journey to get the F-450 - I found one that had 100K miles on it in Columbine, CO and called to purchase. Finalized paperwork, drove with my family on the 30th to Las Vegas, flew to Grand Junction at 6PM, arrived at 8, signed the paperwork, got the truck and drove 9 hours through mostly snow to get back to Vegas before my family woke up. Slept from 6am to Noon and then toured the Hoover Dam and hit the road back to Corona just in time to pass out as the new year came through. On the way back I got pulled over by a police officer for being on my cell phone while driving...funny thing was i wasnt on my cell phone, I was pulling pieces of chicken off the bone to hand to my toddler, and after seeing my greasy hands and the looks of all the faces of my kids in the truck we had a good laugh and he let me go but warned me not to debone chicken and drive, it could be dangerous

Thanks again for all the love and hope to see some of yall on the road someday!!
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So you were the infamous chicken deboner we heard about on the 10 o-clock news! But seriously, it could be dangerous if your hands slip off the steering wheel.

Congratulations on the truck and many happy travels.
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Update, decided to go all in and purchase a 2011 F-450.
I'm glad to see I don't always waste my time when I reply to folks on here. In your case, I wrote: "So ignore the F-550 chassis cab and look at 2011-up F-450 pickups." Provided you found one in good mechanical condition, I'll bet you really enjoy that F-450 towing machine.
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Thanks again for all the love and hope to see some of yall on the road someday!!
Next time we are in Texas maybe we can get together, since we didn't while you were here in Anaheim, Ca.

Congrats.
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Good choices, and good luck with finding what I hope will be a reliable tow vehicle. Enjoy your travels!
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You are going to enjoy the truck and the peace of mind that comes with having an adequate tow vehicle.
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