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Old 12-27-2015, 03:37 PM   #1
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40' Bumper Pull Towing Question

I posted in the newbie area a few days ago and received a lot of help. Thank you to everyone that gave me advice. That advice has brought me here. I decided to take my specific towing question here for part 2 of my first RV journey because this section seems to be tailored for it. I think my trailer is out of the ordinary because it is a 40' bumper pool and most trailers this big are either park models not meant to be moved a bunch or 5th wheels. My question is related to how much vehicle will I need to tow this safely and has anyone out there ever attempted it. The total weight of the trailer is a little over 14K and I would like to be able to move 15-16K as the average weight with everything I would like to put inside including water etc...

Other thoughts - is there a chart/link somewhere online that explains the capabilities of all the different vehicles and different years out there? My budget for the tow vehicle is around 20K. It doesn't need to be fancy, just able to haul my family of six (so i need crew cab) and the trailer. If you read my earlier post you know that i currently own a 2003 excursion with the 7.3 and a Trailer Toad. I thought that would be enough but I also thought my trailer was going to weigh less than 10K.

I come to you here because my time is limited. I am here in California with my family and I need to get back to Texas in less than a week or so. I need a lot of advice in a hurry.

My beliefs (please help me fix them if needed) - this is going to need an F-550 or equivalent vehicle. There is not much difference in insurance between an F-550 and an F-350 and the MPG is about 25% different. If I am correct, where is the best place to buy an F-550 other than craigslist?

If it seems like I am asking extremely naive questions its because I am very new to most parts of this and if anything i said adds up its because I just learned it or its a good guess.

Thanks for the help!!
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Old 12-27-2015, 04:59 PM   #2
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I'm not the most knowable about towing but I think you're going to have trouble finding a hitch, shank, and ball capable of handling that kind of weight on a bumper pull. The heaviest I've seen has a limit of 12K. Your capacity is limited be the weakest component. If you haven't already, I'd make sure you can get all the hitch components you need before deciding on tow vehicle.
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Old 12-27-2015, 05:08 PM   #3
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I agree, you need a hitch first. If you will always use the Trailer Toad, you don't have to worry about the hitch weight capacity, just the maximum gross trailer weight rating.

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Old 12-27-2015, 05:21 PM   #4
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Trailer toad

Are you planning on using your trailer toad to attach the trailer to the tow vehicle?
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:04 PM   #5
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My 2011 GMC dually was rated to tow 17k and 2500lb hitch weight for a bumper pull trailer. I have a shank that is rated 15k so the equip is out there that you need.
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A dually would be advisable. You will have considerable tongue weight. A great hitch setup- no good or better, but the best you can get would also be recommended. Sway control will be an issue. That much trailer will move the tow vehicle if it's allowed too.
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I have a 15,000 hitch and ball on my 450. Most auto stores have the balls and can order the hitch.
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Minimum of a 1 ton dually. Look for an aftermarket hitch. I hope your TT is 40' from ball to bumper. Duallys will be around 22' long. Add 40' and that's 62'. Here in Oregon the limit is 65' IIRC. Something to think about. Not sure where you live. All states are different.
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I know the hitch and ball are available for 15,000#'s as our MH is rated for that and some MH's now are rated for 20,000#'s towing.
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The trailer toad is going to take care of tongue weight, so you just have to find a vehicle that has a GCWR Gross Combined Weight Rating greater than (weight of tow vehicle+family and cargo+Gross trailer weight)=X where X is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of probably 25000 lbs for a diesel truck and your combo. I mean 16K trailer+ TrailerToad+ tow vehicle=? when you can get that number narrowed down you can than choose appropriate tow vehicles. newer trucks are going upwards of 37K for GCWR depending on equipment, but going to be outside of that $20K vehicle budget.

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Hire someone in ca. to pull it to texas for you.
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Old 12-28-2015, 04:47 PM   #12
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My trailer is 36'11" 9200lbs and I tow it with NO issues with an 06 2500 mega cab 5.9 cummins. I'd easily go heavier with this combo maybe 12k which is my limit due to the receiver rating on my truck. The class V hitches are rated for 17k I believe so couple that with a dually and you're set. My equalizer 4pt is rated at 14000lbs and so is the shank with ball. I think you're excursion could pull it if you upgraded the hitch, installed sway bars, and upgraded tires. However a dually of course would be ultimate and when you're tired of towing a TT that long like I am you can move to a 5th wheel lol
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The total weight of the trailer is a little over 14K and I would like to be able to move 15-16K as the average weight with everything I would like to put inside including water etc...

... If you read my earlier post you know that i currently own a 2003 excursion with the 7.3 and a Trailer Toad. ...

My beliefs (please help me fix them if needed) - this is going to need an F-550 or equivalent vehicle.
16k trailer plus 8k tow vehicle is GCW of 24k. Your X-car has GCWR of 20k, So you'll probably struggle up the passes in Arizona. But your X-Car can probably make it if you take I-10 until you're well within Texas. To make it more painless, you also need to:

1. Install a tranny temp gauge, and watch it like a hawk when cruising at less than about 60 MPH. Never allow more than 225 F. tranny temp. No problem at highway speeds, but when you slow down less air goes through the heat exchangers and tranny temps can soar.

After you are settled in Texas, then spend some time and money to beef up your X-Car to give it more towing capability.

2. Replace your stock oil-to-air tranny cooler with one from a 6.0L diesel, and after that not much more worry about tranny temps.

3. Install a DP-Tuner multi-position chip with 60-tow tune as well as 80-economy tune plus the best stock tune available. I'd also add the decel tune (exhaust brake) if you don't already have a good exhaust brake.
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If you really don't want to put more money into your X-Car, then trade it for a 2011-up F-450 pickup. GCWR is 33,000 pounds, and tow rating is 16,000. The tow rating is limited by the weight capacity of the receiver. Note the tow rating of a 5er, and that is the real max trailer weight you can tow with your powertrain if your receiver hitch were not your limiter. If you can find a stronger receiver, then you can pump up the tow rating to the max of the receiver, or up to over 23,000 pounds gross tag trailer weight. But the 16k tow rating with the stock receiver is about perfect for what you want to tow. So ignore the F-550 chassis cab and look at 2011-up F-450 pickups.
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wow, I love this forum!!! I have been out all day doing research and feel much better after coming back here and you guys confirming a lot of what I have learned. One piece of good news is that the empty weight of the trailer is actually 13k instead of the 14K like I thought....that makes the 350 a good option if I keep the "other" weight to a minimum. I still think it makes sense to go the 450 route as some of you have suggested to make sure my family is extra safe on the highways. We have fallen in love with the trailer after living in it for a week at Canyon RV park. This park is really cool and very friendly like you guys. Thanks for all the info, I just wanted to leave a quick note that I will be re-reading all of your posts and spending more time researching and processing your thoughts. Thanks and God Bless!!
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