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Old 12-21-2014, 10:03 PM   #57
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If I had a 2 wd, I'd have made it to the gas station." LOL.see my signature. BTW I string pick on an old Hummingbird.
That's probably true. But the heck with 2 or 4 wheel drive, tell me about your banjo and playing style. Ive only seen one Hummingbird (Tokai). An old boy at the Bluegrass Festival in Blairsville GA had one. I have a Gibson Granada and play, if you call what I do playing, the three finger "Scruggs" style.
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Old 12-21-2014, 10:09 PM   #58
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Hydro Planing. There are a number of factors that enter into the argument. Hydroplaning occurs when there is more water than the tire can dispurse causing the tire to lose contact with the road surface.

A couple of factors that enter into the point of hydroplaning is the weight of the vehicle and the tire tread. This is assuming that all other factors of the vehicle is the same, namely the brand and size of vehicle (one 2wd and one 4wd), vehicle loading and whether the tire is ribbed or lug.

Given the basic vehicle is the same the weight of the 4wd will be higher by a couple hundred pounds requiring slightly more force to lift the tire from the surface. The bigger item will be the tire tread. Generally 2wd trucks come with ribbed or all season tires. A 4wd truck will come equiped with all season or M&S tires. A lug tire will have less water dispersion affect than a ribbed tire causing another reduction in lifting effect.

IMO a 4wd will require a higher speed to hydroplane given indentical conditions.
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Old 12-22-2014, 12:59 AM   #59
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In my new truck that I'll hopefully be getting next year, when the tires need to be replaced, I'll be getting Michelin LTX2's. I've used them for years on my old Explorer, and they have been *great* in all weather conditions and road surfaces. Not the best for off road driving, but they have been great on forest roads in damp SW WA.

I didn't mean to imply that 4wd will not aid in a hydroplaning driving situation, It's simply that we cannot know for certain until it's tested, I certainly don't know for sure. There are many other factors that in my mind are more important than 2 or 4wd when traction is lost because the vehicle is planing across water and has no hard ground contact. And that video of the lightweight buggy skimming across the water doesn't compare at all to any other vehicle on the roadway with other vehicles around it. Put a trailer on that buggy and skip across the pond and I'll be impressed.
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Perhaps another thing to consider in the 4x4 versus 4x2 debate is what you're towing.

I towed our old 4000# trailer all over with our current 4x2 without any problems. It was light enough that I could easily back it up sandy slopes and wet, grassy fields without any issues.

But since we've had our new almost 8000# trailer, I've been stuck once and almost stuck twice. As soon as both the rear wheels leave the pavement, pushing the trailer back into a site, there may be problems if the site is steep, wet, sandy or muddy. The truck has limited-slip so as long as one of the rear wheels has traction, I'm good.

Another thing is the tires. 4x2s tend to have All-season tires with limited off-road traction. 4x4s usually have All-terrain tires that are better off-road. Maybe a 4x4 with All-seasons or vica-versa would be a good compromise?
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Un-hooking the weight distribution bars might add enough weight to gain the traction you need to get un-stuck.
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:15 PM   #62
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Un-hooking the weight distribution bars might add enough weight to gain the traction you need to get un-stuck.
I was afraid that would just dig me in deeper. My tires are Michelin LTX MS/2, a great All-Season road tire but definitely not a mud tire. They simply had zero traction.

My front tires were on more sandy soil so if I had a 4x4 ...

But what I should have had were chains. All 4x2 pickups should come with a pair of chains from the factory.

As it was, I had a source of sand and a shovel nearby, so after a little work, and a lot of swearing, and eventually remembering to turn off traction control, it was out.
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WD bars shift weight back to the front axle of the truck and to the trailer axles while lifting weight off the drive axle. The added weight created rolling resistance and reduced weight on drive wheels allows them to spin.
Anytime traction is reduced, WDH should be unhooked for 2wd trucks to obtain the most traction possible.
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Anytime traction is reduced, WDH should be unhooked for 2wd trucks to obtain the most traction possible.
This was very soft, muddy ground. The morning after a ground frost. Don't think going from 4180# (with wdh bars) to 4620#(w/o wdh) on the rear axle would have helped increase the friction between the mud and the rear All-Season tires all that much. And I was afraid of sinking in further.

On a solid surface like ice or packed snow, yes, I would agree (although my poor rear axle wouldn't like it).
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Old 12-23-2014, 08:07 AM   #65
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Thank You All

Thank you all for the amazing feed back concerning 2 wd vs 4 wd. I think I have enough information to make an intelligent choice for a tow vehicle. also someone mentioned that I had not stated what I would be towing. It's a 30 ft XLR Toyhauler 6300 lbs.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:43 PM   #67
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On the funny side of the whole 2wd vs 4wd debate... A friend of mine who has given me and several others at work loads of crap for years about how we're basically a bunch of dumb idiot morons for having 4wds recently came upon the time to trade his truck in.

Yep, shore 'nuff, he came to work in a new F350 4x4.... We've been all over him ever since!
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Two advantages to 4WD with one the availability of 4 wheels for traction when you need it which includes in sand or dirt at a pull-out or side of the road should you need to pull off the highway for any reason. Getting stuck is a pain with any vehicle but even worse when you have a trailer in the picture. With 4WD the odds of getting stuck are greatly reduced and you gain in addition a low range set of gears. This provides more power but equally important it allows you to have the full power of the engine while moving at 4 tenth the speed in the Low Range of the vehicle. Going uphill on dirt roads which are not unusual in the western USA the lack of 4WD will make it nearly impossible with a trailer in tow.
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I had a 4 wheel drive truck for about 10 years. On the average, I used the 4 wheel drive two or three times a year. When I needed it, it was great to have. The next three trucks were all 2WD. I never needed 4wd on the first two trucks. The weather and work schedules conspired together to allow me to avoid the roads when bad. I took all of them camping down dirt or gravel roads with no problems. Now the third truck was a diesel 2500 2wd. With all the weight on the front axle, that truck could get stuck on a wet leaf on an otherwise dry road!! Don't get me wrong, I loved that truck and had it almost 10 years (2005 Dodge, bought new and traded it in 2 weeks ago). My new truck is a 4WD. I didn't "need" 4WD, but wanted it. I got the 2WD 2500 stuck in some pretty dumb places (my cousin's front yard was probably the most embarrassing). I intend to keep the new truck for 5-10 years and will probably go with an MDT (and 4WD) when I sell it. I don't plan on going off road or even onto "unimproved" road surfaces, but plans and reality don't always agree. I'm towing a 40 foot 18,000 pound toy hauler. Any little bit can help and at this stage in my life, I don't worry about the extra maintenance. Plus, I needed something to compensate for have such itty bitty teeny tiny little man parts !!

During the "great" Oklahoma blizzard, we couldn't get our police cars out of the dept parking lot and we used the officer's personal vehicles that had 4WD to answer calls and patrol. Larry, Stan, and I had a ball working the midnight shifts that Christmas season! Only caught one burglar, but the look on his face when we pulled up in a 15 year old beat up (mostly) green truck was priceless. Both Larry and Stan had 4WD and I didn't; I just rode along with one of them. The only problem was the city promised to pay for our fuel when patrolling in personal vehicles, but changed their minds when it came time to actually reimburse the guys (and girl) that had used their own vehicles. I had no trouble getting to and from work with my 2WD while several co-workers got their 4WDs stuck on the same roads I drove.
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I had a f350 dually to pull my 16k jayco designer for 7 years. It was 2wd. I only used it to pull the fiver. Ther rest of the time it was in the garage. It never saw snow. 2wd will give you kore towing capacity, but if you are going to,use it outside of towing, 4x4 would make more sense just my opinion..
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