5er Rig Help

[KHBama]

Yes it’s a complete joke that they can advertise them to be 1/2 Ton towable. My truck gets the job done but if I was full timing, would not hesitate to go with a 1 Ton even for my “lite” 5th wheel

[wildcatter]

Question, I always read that the fuel is not part of the CCC and that is it actually part of the dry weight (curb) of the truck. Does anybody really know the real answer?

[tuffr2]

I believe CCC includes full fuel, oil and coolant.

[wandering1]

What did the ford towing specs for the fifth wheel tell you? Not the stuff in the door jamb? Look online or get the specs from the dealer. Most opinions are from people who dont understand the numbers on the door jamb. Get the facts from ford.

[kone]

Originally Posted by wandering1

What did the ford towing specs for the fifth wheel tell you? Not the stuff in the door jamb? Look online or get the specs from the dealer. Most opinions are from people who dont understand the numbers on the door jamb. Get the facts from ford.

I thought the door jamb info for the actual vehicle is the best barometer, and not specs in a book?

[archer75]

Originally Posted by kone

I thought the door jamb info for the actual vehicle is the best barometer, and not specs in a book?

Correct. Fords posted numbers are generic for a vehicle with no options. To get specific numbers for your exact vehicle you always refer to the sticker and work off those.
Ford may have additional information on what is included in those weights. Is fuel already built into that number? Driver weight? Etc.

[Rhagfo]

Originally Posted by kone

I thought the door jamb info for the actual vehicle is the best barometer, and not specs in a book?

Originally Posted by archer75

Correct. Fords posted numbers are generic for a vehicle with no options. To get specific numbers for your exact vehicle you always refer to the sticker and work off those.
Ford may have additional information on what is included in those weights. Is fuel already built into that number? Driver weight? Etc.

Well based on your first post you will be close, as pin could be as high as 25% and 2,500#.
As to tow ratings in the brochure, those are based on a stripper model meaning the the very most you could tow with a truck with no options, and not taking into account pin weight.
I still don't understand not going to a F350 gas, for the bigger payload number, for basically the same truck.

[kone]

Originally Posted by Rhagfo

Well based on your first post you will be close, as pin could be as high as 25% and 2,500#.

I still don't understand not going to a F350 gas, for the bigger payload number, for basically the same truck.

Thanks. I will not go above a 3/4 ton. I have my reasons why; some you might understand, some you wouldn’t. Tbh I greatly prefer staying half ton so going to a F250 at all is a super stretch for me, so much so that I lean towards the TT so I can stay 1/2.

If I have to move to a 350 then the 5er is out for me.

[SmokeyWren]

Originally Posted by kone

If I have to move to a 350 then the 5er is out for me.

That's illogical. The only visible difference between an F-250 and an A-350 SRW with identical options is the badge on the fender and about 1,500 pounds additional GVWR. Same cab, bed, trim and amenities, height off the ground, etc. Only a chassis engineer could tell the difference.

[kone]

Originally Posted by archer75

Ford may have additional information on what is included in those weights. Is fuel already built into that number? Driver weight? Etc.

Bodies, no. Gas? I called Ford CS and the answer I got was in circles so I hung up not entirely sure.

[SmokeyWren]

Originally Posted by wandering1

Get the facts from ford.

Nonsense. Ford doesn't give you real-world facts other than GVWR, GAWRs and GCWR. GVWR and GAWRs are on the Federal Certification Label on the door frame, so no need to ask Ford. For GCWR, you have to use the Owner's Guide to find the number based on engine, drivetrain, rear axle ratio, and other factors. For tow ratings and payload capacity, Ford gives you maximums. But the maximums require a stripped vehicle with no options and absolutely no weight in the vehicle except a skinny driver. If you try to use the tow rating or payload from Ford documentation without knowing the scale weight of your wet and loaded Ford, you're going to be overloaded when on the road.

[archer75]

Originally Posted by kone

Thanks. I will not go above a 3/4 ton. I have my reasons why; some you might understand, some you wouldn’t. Tbh I greatly prefer staying half ton so going to a F250 at all is a super stretch for me, so much so that I lean towards the TT so I can stay 1/2.

If I have to move to a 350 then the 5er is out for me.

Yeah that doesn't make sense. A F350 looks identical to a F250 aside from the badge.
It's really not a big deal. I went from a half ton to a 2500(wish I went to a 3500) and it felt large for the first 2 days. Then it just felt normal. It's my daily driver, work, kids to school, stores, etc. No problem.

And FYI, there are many TT that are well outside the limits of a half ton. Hell, my 27.5' trailer pushes the limits of my 3/4 ton by the numbers. Once everything is added up and calculated.

[archer75]

Originally Posted by kone

Bodies, no. Gas? I called Ford CS and the answer I got was in circles so I hung up not entirely sure.

According to the ford brochure it says:

"Maximum capabilities shown are for properly equipped vehicles with required equipment and a 150-lb. driver. Weight of additional options, equipment, passengers and cargo must be deducted from this weight."
https://www.ford.com/services/assets...Duty&year=2018


But i'm sure the door sticker says something like people, cargo, etc. must all be deducted from the payload.

My door sticker says that as well. But the PDF from ram on towing numbers says:
"Trailer Weight Rating and Tow Vehicle Trailering Weight are calculated as specified in SAE J2807. Passenger Weight = 300 lb
Options Weight = 100 lb
Trailering Equipment Weight: 75 lb for Conventional Hitch, 70 lb for Gooseneck and 250 lb for 5th Wheel."

So this leads to be believe the numbers given by ram already include those values. Which in my case is 475lbs. I was going to deduct 700lbs for people, hitch and gear but since they posted numbers accounting for 475lbs worth of stuff I only need to deduct the difference? Another 225lbs instead of the full 700lbs? It is rather confusing. I've been deducting the full amount just to be safe.
https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/tow...ing_charts.pdf

[kone]

Originally Posted by SmokeyWren

Nonsense. Ford doesn't give you real-world facts other than GVWR, GAWRs and GCWR. GVWR and GAWRs are on the Federal Certification Label on the door frame, so no need to ask Ford. For GCWR, you have to use the Owner's Guide to find the number based on engine, drivetrain, rear axle ratio, and other factors. For tow ratings and payload capacity, Ford gives you maximums. But the maximums require a stripped vehicle with no options and absolutely no weight in the vehicle except a skinny driver. If you try to use the tow rating or payload from Ford documentation without knowing the scale weight of your wet and loaded Ford, you're going to be overloaded when on the road.

I understand the scale requirements as the only way to know 100% but it’s kinda putting the cart after the horse....Or after the tow vehicle and the trailer are in your driveway.