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Old 04-09-2006, 10:37 AM   #15
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I, too, have been struggling with the issues of gooseneck vs. 5th wheel and have searched the net looking for answers. Generally speaking, I have found the following and seek real world experiences.

1. Gooseneck balls tend to have stronger mountings in the truck and have a smaller footprint in the bed. They can even be "hidden" when not in use. Also, the ball design allows for more independant movement between the truck and the trailer. However, the connection tends to be solid and so any bumps and jolts will be transferred directly to the truck while 5th wheels have some cushioning.

2. The problem is, you cannot realistically bolt both to your truck at the same time since
they tend to use the same mounting points. And no matter which you prefer, sometimes you want or need to use the other.

3. If you have a 5th wheel plate and you want to pull a gooseneck trailer, I have seen 2 apparent solutions. The first is essentially a ball which clamps into the 5th wheel plate. I do not think I like that because you would have a hitch attached to a hitch. You would also have the ball located much higher than normal and, coupled with the mount coming down from the trailer, the moment arm of motion is much higher than a 5th wheel plate would normally see. The better solution I have seen, especially with 5th wheel plates that can be removed, is a replacement ball and frame that attaches directly to the 5th wheel frame in the truck bed. The problem would be risk overloading the 5th wheel frame in the truck because, as noted above, gooseneck mountings in a truck are generally twice the strength. You would have to closely monitor the trailer weight.

3. If you have a gooseneck ball and want to tow a 5th wheel trailer, you again have 2 options. First would be to replace the pin assembly in the trailer with a gooseneck attachment "tube". Everything I read tells me this a very bad idea that will invite serious damage to the trailer. The other option seems to be a replacement "ball" in which the ball is removed from the truck and a 5th wheel plate assembly takes its place. I do not know how hard it would be to remove the ball in a typical hidden ball setup.

4. This last setup does seem to me to be the most advantageous if you don't have to break your arm getting everything in place. Yes, the 5th wheel plate and hence the connection between the trailer and the truck will be higher than a gooseneck frame would expect, but then the typical 5th wheel trailer will be much lighter than a gooseneck trailer might be. My other concern is that the weight "spread" of a normal 5th wheel plate and frame will now be centered on the gooseneck ball attachment point. I wouldn't want the adaptor frame and plate warping my truck bed if you exceed the pivot limits of the plate.

If you are unsure of the in truck gooseneck to 5th wheel adaptor, try looking at http://www.mrtruck.net/turnoverball.htm for an example.

Most of the complaints I see about 5th wheel to gooseneck adaptors concern trailer mounted adaptors. Has anyone had good/bad experiences with these truck mounted adaptors?

Allen B.
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Old 04-09-2006, 07:29 PM   #16
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DirtyAl:
I, too, have been struggling with the issues of gooseneck vs. 5th wheel and have searched the net looking for answers.

2. The problem is, you cannot realistically bolt both to your truck at the same time since
they tend to use the same mounting points. And no matter which you prefer, sometimes you want or need to use the other.


3. If you have a gooseneck ball and want to The other option seems to be a replacement "ball" in which the ball is removed from the truck and a 5th wheel plate assembly takes its place. I do not know how hard it would be to remove the ball in a typical hidden ball setup.

4. This last setup does seem to me to be the most advantageous if you don't have to break your arm getting everything in place. Yes, the 5th wheel plate and hence the connection between the trailer and the truck will be higher than a gooseneck frame would expect, but then the typical 5th wheel trailer will be much lighter than a gooseneck trailer might be. My other concern is that the weight "spread" of a normal 5th wheel plate and frame will now be centered on the gooseneck ball attachment point. I wouldn't want the adaptor frame and plate warping my truck bed if you exceed the pivot limits of the plate.

If you are unsure of the in truck gooseneck to 5th wheel adaptor, try looking at http://www.mrtruck.net/turnoverball.htm for an example.

Most of the complaints I see about 5th wheel to gooseneck adaptors concern trailer mounted adaptors. Has anyone had good/bad experiences with these truck mounted adaptors?

Allen B. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a turnoverball hitch as do many others here on this forum and others. I tow a ~14k fifth wheel with it using the "companion hitch". This is a very good system with 1000's installed on trucks from 1/2 ton to 450/550's. I needed a hitch that when taken out left a clean bed as I haul a lot of sheet goods in my truck. I researched the Pull Rite Super 5th and the B&W. I chose the B&W, but the Pull Rite is a good hitch, too. Both offer goosneck and fifth wheel attachments.

The fifth wheel hitch spreads the load out over more than the cent connection. The "arms" of the hitch form a roughly 2' x 2' base that sits down on the bed. I can feel no chucking when accelerating or decelerating, so it's a good, solid connection.

As for removing the hitch, it breaks down into two pieces so it can be easliy handled by one person. Total time to go from fifth wheel hitch to clean bed is under 3 minutes. To go from clean bed to gooseneck ball takes about 30 seconds.

I, too, have seen what a gooseneck adapter can do to a fifth wheel. I too would check with the trailer manufacturer before doing this kind of mod. There are hitches out there for reasonable cost that fit the bill of goosenck or fifth wheel. Why do anything else?

Sorry for the long reply, but I had to chime in.

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Im not sure about all, but Reese did obtain a re-rating on their 15K hitch about 2000.

Their 14K -&gt; 15K and 15K -&gt; 16K.
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