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Old 10-13-2005, 05:42 AM   #1
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In a year or so, we will be buying a new 3/4 ton pickup to haul a 5th wheel. Can someone enlighten me on the pro's and con's of either a short box or a long box. We intend to get a crew cab pickup. I carry a lot of fishing gear in my box along with a 9.9 hp outboart motor and a Honda 2000 watt generator. I Currently have a 2001 Ford Supercrew with the 5 1/2 foot box and it is loaded to the roof of the cab high cap with our gear. I am leaning towards the 8 foot box for the "extra" room in front of a 5th wheel hitch for some of heavy stuff that I wouldn't fit into the 5th wheel.
Thanks for your advice in advance.
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Old 10-13-2005, 05:42 AM   #2
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In a year or so, we will be buying a new 3/4 ton pickup to haul a 5th wheel. Can someone enlighten me on the pro's and con's of either a short box or a long box. We intend to get a crew cab pickup. I carry a lot of fishing gear in my box along with a 9.9 hp outboart motor and a Honda 2000 watt generator. I Currently have a 2001 Ford Supercrew with the 5 1/2 foot box and it is loaded to the roof of the cab high cap with our gear. I am leaning towards the 8 foot box for the "extra" room in front of a 5th wheel hitch for some of heavy stuff that I wouldn't fit into the 5th wheel.
Thanks for your advice in advance.
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Old 10-13-2005, 07:57 AM   #3
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The short box pickups will require a "slider style" hitch that will allow the tow vehcile to make a sharp turn without the side corner of the 5ers sidewall contacting the trucks rear window and in alot of cases, shattering it! There are manual slider hitches or power slider hitches for this reason.

Not sure about Ford or D.Chrysler, but the Gm short box pickups have a smaller gas tank than their long box pickups, so your range is shortened unless you get an auxiliary gas tank.

Short box pickups are easier to park and turn than the same style cab pick up with a long box, so there are pros and cons on both sides. Most short falls can usually be addressed by items already on the market, so choose accordingly.

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I don't know what size 5er you will be considering, but you need to be sure your truck has enough GVWR to carry the pin weight plus the generator, fishing gear and the outboard in the bed. A 3/4 ton will ususally hit the limit on about a 30' trailer long before you reach the GCWR.

I'd definately go for a long box so you don't have to worry with the trailer hitting the cab or mess with a slider hitch.

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I agree with TXiceman's comments. Before getting the truck, decide, at least in general concept, what kind of 5er you want. With that, you have an idea about what your pin wt and GVWR for the trailer will be.
I have no idea what type of rig you want, but if you want to stick with a short bed, the Titaniums have a unique nose that allows a short bed, in most cases without a slider...
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i really don't know why everbody thinks that there short bed will hit the trailer.

these newer longer short beds and all the extended pin boxes and the way all these trailers are cut on the corners , you just don't have any problems with hitting the truck any more.

i have both trucks, and i prefure the short bed single rear wheel truck,
i have had lots of units , most all of them wide bodys , and i have never needed a slider hitch ,
they are a wast in my opinion.

a good air hitch set up correctly will not hit and they provide a great feel .

now it sounds like you really pack your bed full of stuff, so you may like the duell rear wheel 1 ton long bed truck ,

it just all depends on what you want,
i don't use my bed at all .
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kelstr:
i really don't know why everbody thinks that there short bed will hit the trailer.

these newer longer short beds and all the extended pin boxes and the way all these trailers are cut on the corners , you just don't have any problems with hitting the truck any more... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ummm....maybe a certain fellow Texas Boomer who pulls an Everest 5th wheel with a short bed 3rd generation 3500 SRW Ram will drop by and tell how both of his cab rear pillars got wrinkled.

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I use my pickup as a pickup so I need the full-size 8' bed. I mean, if you're gonna' get a truck, get a truck!!
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QUOTE]Ummm....maybe a certain fellow Texas Boomer who pulls an Everest 5th wheel with a short bed 3rd generation 3500 SRW Ram will drop by and tell how both of his cab rear pillars got wrinkled.

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well the same way a pull trailer idiot dents up the back of his truck and the a frame of his trailer.

there are some people that will screw up anthing you give them.

most of the slider hitches set the pin 4 1/2 in foward of the diff,
and with out a nice extended pin box if you really crank it it will hit ,
just like a tow trailer would .

if you set up your truck correctly , you can put the pin 1 1/2 in foward of the diff and the trailer will not hit the cab unless you are on a dip and are not paying attention.

most guys that smash there truck and trailer up are not paying attention and not thinking.

if you set it up correct and use your head you wont ever have a problem.

but just like a tow trailer , if you are sleeping and having brain fade even with an auto slider hitch i have seen people still bend up and blow out windown and ruin stuff.

there are just some people that should not be allowed to own cool stuff and or drive a vehicle !!
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The long bed gives a better ride with the crew cab. Especially if you get the dually. That is something to think about as well when towing a 5th wheel. I have towed with a SRW and willnever do that again.
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wakamicamper:

Echoing the setiments of everyone here, I agree most with the comment of first picking out the 5r, THEN figuring out what TV you'll need. Many of the Mfrs are having an problem with properly stating the CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity), so beware and make sure you know exactly what the coach will weigh. Then carefully add in the weigh of ALL, and I mean ALLLLL the stuff you plan to take with you.

I've always had a long bed F series, so I'm pretty partial to having the longer bed. The newer F350's are phenomenal with turning radius, and really have negated the thought of going with a shortbed. And the 5r slider hitches are quite a bit more in $$$ than a fixed hitch- for what you pay for them, it more than offsets the costs of the 8' bed. But the real kicker is the TowBoss package if you're anywhere above 8000#....the towing experience is unbelievable. And I also agree with the fact that if you go 1-Ton, get the duallies -nuttin' like it honey!!

My $0.02.

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Get a long box.

Get a 1 ton SRW instead of a 3/4 ton.
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Old 10-23-2005, 10:56 AM   #13
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Thanks for the reply's. We are looking at Rockwoods by Forest River GVWR of 7900 - 9000 lbs. After the wife read some of the repies, she is in agreement with me for the 8' box. We figure a 3/4 ton pickup will do the trick. Although most properly equipped 1/2 tons could do it, I usually go for more truck over overkill. This board is great, thanks again for the replies.
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Old 10-23-2005, 01:29 PM   #14
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Might I suggest that if you have decided that you can't live with a dually, that you at least get a SRW 1 ton?

With the Dodge anyway, you get overload springs and a bit more payload capacity (and cab lights) for a pretty small price increase. I think the Ford SRW 350 is a similar kind of deal.

When you add up the weight of occupants, your gear, the hitch, and the pin weight (probably around 20% of weight of the trailer), you will overload a 2500 pretty quick.

I also second the thing about the long box. Yeah, if you pay attention, and want to mess with a slider, you can avoid hitting the cab.

Personally, I prefer to have a setup that has enough breathing room that I can turn sharper than 90 on uneven ground without even worrying about it.

I'd rather be able to focus totally on where I'm backing into, but that's just me. Having a truck that would turn tighter would be nice, but for me the benefits of a long box is worth more.

Reasonable minds could disagree, though, and only you know what is most important to you.
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