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Old 06-18-2015, 01:11 PM   #15
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Not all diesels follow your hard fast rules indicated for redlines. I have experience with a 2008 PowerStroke - Boost to 37 psi, EGT at 1280F (manifold), and Tranny temp at 235F while still running stock parameters. This is off a digital OBDII gauge, Edge Digital Insight.

I believe there are differences between manufacturers, and between different generations of same manufacturer. I cannot comment on OPs engine specifically.


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Old 06-18-2015, 07:23 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Wes Hawkins View Post
Wondering if anyone who has an older Dodge CTD, mine is a 2000, is running a chip or performance enhancing box. If so which one and how do you like it?
My current '03 Dodge/Cummins NV5600 has had a Edge programmer for towing duties on it since it was new. With 255k miles there has been no problems.
This Edge box of that era was a simply 40-50 hp and 80-100 ft lbs torque. It has no switches or program buttons.

It really woke the Cummins up in the 1600-2000 rpm range when towing. As mentioned a lot of different boxes out here putting out different amount of power.

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Old 06-18-2015, 07:32 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by BrianGlenn View Post
What is your expectations for a chip/tuner? Are you trying to increase HP and torque or are you trying to improve mileage? Two different answers.

Older model diesels, such as yours, can increase HP and torque but quickly run into other limiting components, such as tranny and drive train. Mileage can also be improved, but it is done at increased temperatures, not usually recommended for towing situation as you can quickly overheat, hit limiting high temps for components (turbo, valving, pistons, etc) - as mentioned above by jesilvas. Increased HP usually is done by leaning out diesel mixtures, increasing combustion/EGT temps.
The tuners in lots of cases INCREASE the fuel mixture. You can lean a diesel out till it quits running without hurting them. Overfueling leads to increased temps and black smoke unless you also change the injection timing and boost. That's how Banks does theirs.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:40 PM   #18
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Go back and read SmokeyWren's comments on tuners. He's well known on TheDieselStop.com, and he's given you the truth.

I'm running a D-P Tuner 80 hp econo and 60 hp tow modes on my 2003 F250 7.3 diesel. It's as far as I'm willing to go without modifications to my intake and exhaust.

When my truck was new, it'd just chirp a tire from a start. Now, I can go up to 20 mph, hit the throttle and look at two black streaks in my rear view mirror. From 60 to 80 mph takes 4 seconds--a strong, strong mid range. And my fuel mileage went from 18 mpg to 20 mpg at 70 mph.

But don't think you're going to pull 15K lbs, through the Rocky Mountains without the Pyrometer and the Tranny gauge. Diesel horsepower produces heat, and it's heat that destroys engines and transmissions.
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Old 06-18-2015, 10:05 PM   #19
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I had pyrometer for 4 years and never once saw any alarming temperature with my Max Energy. The testing has all been done way before I installed it on my truck. It's not like all the others the Hypertech is programed for efficiency and power with standard exhaust and injectors. Any modification just don't improve any.
Like I said earlier my intention is to drag up the hill for up to 1 1/2 hours and not just 1/4 Miles without hurting my truck. Never saw any sout on my trailer with all 3 level of programing. I am able to feel the light 15000 lbs trailer in tow on the road.
Without the trailer I get better mileage then most SUVs on the road with a 7800 lbs 4 x 4.
Not all programer are tested equal, and for the same application. No one will tell me that they can give me a program for my truck without proof of testing. Hypertech did and I am pleased.
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Great info smokeywren... you must have an older diesel... maybe a 7.3L? As Brian Glen mentioned, newer engines are pushing the envelope some on those temps. My 05 cummins will hit 1400-1500 degrees on EGT stock from the factory for short periods! I agree thought, for the OP'S truck your rules will certainly be close and safe.
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Have a 09 dodge 3500 doully on the farm with the 6.7 that got deleted. Check engine light came on. Took it to the dealer they said the egr was plugged and o2 sensors was bad. Couple other things. Was gonna cost 1800 to fix. Took it to a local diesel shop got it all deleted with straight pipe and light tow tune down loaded for 2300. I tell you what getting rid of all the garbage woke this mother up! Whole new truck. Worth every penny. We don't race it don't pull it. We work with it. Problem is the factory clutch wont hold under a big load. It has 100k miles on it so probably due anyway. After the clutch is done it will be a real work horse.

Now my 07 Duramax is factory. It will remain factory until (like the dodge) something happens that needs repaired. Someday, I hope not soon, It will need injectors or egr. will plug Maybe something else will go bad and I will have to take it in. At that point all the garbage will be removed from that also.
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I have an 01 Dually Dodge HO with 6sp manual trans. I installed the FASS lift pump and the Edge EZ. Highly recommend it and defiantly a noticeable differance. My truck loaded with a 9.5' slide in camper pulling a 28' enclosed car trailer all totaling 23,500 lbs pulled mountain passes only having to downshift into 5th gear. I felt this was a tuner that provided a safe level of performance without causing damage. I've been running this for over 12 years. Easy to install and remove. I'm sure you will be very happy with the results.
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I have an 01 Dually Dodge HO with 6sp manual trans. I installed the FASS lift pump and the Edge EZ. Highly recommend it and defiantly a noticeable differance. My truck loaded with a 9.5' slide in camper pulling a 28' enclosed car trailer all totaling 23,500 lbs pulled mountain passes only having to downshift into 5th gear. I felt this was a tuner that provided a safe level of performance without causing damage. I've been running this for over 12 years. Easy to install and remove. I'm sure you will be very happy with the results.
I installed the Fass lift pump several years ago and I installed the Fleeze cooling system bypass to help keep the engine running cooler. I found out yesterday that my wonderful wife had ordered the Edge EZ for me for my birthday. I have already got the gauges and its a 5 speed. I'm going to be putting a new clutch in it also this month and am going with a higher HP and Torque than what the factory puts in them.

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