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Old 11-24-2015, 03:59 PM   #127
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Old 11-24-2015, 04:51 PM   #128
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Old 11-24-2015, 06:48 PM   #129
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So whats going to happen when all these DEF trucks are 25-30 years old? The emissions are going to be removed because the public will not put up with "limp mode" everytime there is a hiccup in the system. I have a very good running and dependable 1985 K5 Blazer and I'm not about to reinstall any emission equipment that's missing. I would just register it as an antique vehicle if I had to.

My 2011 has never gone into limp mode. Had two CEL lights, one was fixed with a service bulletin and the other time was after a lot of short trips. Dealer said take it out for a good run. i did, the light eventually went out and hasn't come back.

You can register any 25 year old vehicle as a collector car here as long as it is in good condition and stock You have to have another vehicle and can't drive it to work or school though.
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Old 11-24-2015, 06:49 PM   #130
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No, but that doesn't mean my truck will be dead, too.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:04 AM   #131
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I'm in the market for a diesel powered pickup but the idea that it could ever go into "limp home" mode and leave me stranded is just not acceptable me.
What if there is a hurricane coming and you're evacuating? What if there's a medical emergency in the middle of nowhere? I don't want to be halfway across northern Canada and get stuck doing 5mph.
I guess the solution would be to carry a scanner that can reset the computer. Does that exist to the public yet? Might be expensive but would keep me legal and give me piece of mind.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:11 AM   #132
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You can register any 25 year old vehicle as a collector car here as long as it is in good condition and stock You have to have another vehicle and can't drive it to work or school though.
In Texas, vehicles that are registered as antiques (like my Travco motorhome) are exempt from any kind of inspection. You are allowed to operate them for maintenance purposes like going to the car wash, etc so I just carry a tool bag and a red rag with me at all times. The only thing I've ever gotten from the police is a thumbs up.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:45 AM   #133
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I'm in the market for a diesel powered pickup but the idea that it could ever go into "limp home" mode and leave me stranded is just not acceptable me.
What if there is a hurricane coming and you're evacuating? What if there's a medical emergency in the middle of nowhere? I don't want to be halfway across northern Canada and get stuck doing 5mph.
I guess the solution would be to carry a scanner that can reset the computer. Does that exist to the public yet? Might be expensive but would keep me legal and give me piece of mind.
One runs that risk with any newer electronically controlled vehicle. If your that paranoid you need an old mechanical truck.

Newer trucks are not as bad as what you read...remember the only people with problems come on the net to bitch...you never read the 100 thousand that run 1/2 million miles without hic cup.

And yes you can get scanners to reset codes...and I reccomended anyone that travels to have one.
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Old 11-25-2015, 08:12 AM   #134
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I guess I should have been more clear.
I am referring to DEF system equipped diesels. The ones where the computer shuts the truck down when it sees something out of parameter and you have no choice but to take it in.
Yes, I already carry a scan tool in my current modern vehicle so as to be able to reset codes, etc but can I buy a scan tool to clear the shut down program on a DEF equipped truck should it occur?
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I'm in the market for a diesel powered pickup but the idea that it could ever go into "limp home" mode and leave me stranded is just not acceptable me.
What if there is a hurricane coming and you're evacuating? What if there's a medical emergency in the middle of nowhere? I don't want to be halfway across northern Canada and get stuck doing 5mph.
I guess the solution would be to carry a scanner that can reset the computer. Does that exist to the public yet? Might be expensive but would keep me legal and give me piece of mind.
Buy an older 2012 Ram CTD. No DEF. Keep it stock and just drive it. That's what I do.
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Old 11-25-2015, 09:28 AM   #136
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Long post in regards to the scanner inquiry.

I'm not sure how the big three are setup, but on the CAT-equipped Kenworth trucks CAT had the stuff so locked up that only CAT could unlock the tractors once they went into limp mode. This was dealing with one district for a company that alone had over 350 tractors.

In my experience with the above as well as all the pickups we had (over 100) the most common issue that you will run into will be a plugged Diesel Particulate Filter. I'm not sure if a scan tool will get you going down the road or not by being able to force a regen. With the tractors, a CAT technician could force a regen while stationary. I believe pickups need to be driving. Plugged DPF's are caused by several things already mentioned in this thread, and can get to the point where they actually need to be physically removed from the vehicle and manually cleaned out.

Another big issue comes from the Diesel Exhaust Fluid. The closer you get to empty, at some point the truck may be limited to 55 mph (I believe. That could be wrong. I'm relying on memory here.) If you run it completely out, you will be stuck at two mph. But if you run your truck out of fuel, you're limited to zero mph and will have one helluva time getting it going again, assuming nothing was damaged. So don't run it out of DEF. (It really annoyed me that my "old" Ford didn't have a DEF gauge. You could only find out where you were out by scrolling through the EVIC and then it would tell you "above half" or "less than half." The new ones might have gauges like the Ram trucks, but I don't recall from the test drive) DEF contamination is also an issue, and there are stories on the internet about a dealer trying not to fix an issue associated with the DEF system because the owner didn't run the manufacturers specified (or branded) DEF. I can't confirm this as reality or not. People have also accidentally put DEF into the fuel tank, and it does not work out well for them.
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To be clear, I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert of any kind, this is just my experience.

I didn't have any emissions related issues on my 2011 Ford when I sold it with 26,000 miles. And I also haven't had any with my 2015 Ram with 8,000 miles. But these are my personal vehicles that I try to take care of and use appropriately-minimizing idle time, not using for short trips around town and always trying to get up to operating temperatures, and mostly heavy towing. A lot of the trucks (tractor and pickup. Actually we had a lot of emission related issues with deck motors too) we had issues with either had waaaaay too much idle time, sensor issues that prevented regeneration, or simple ignorance by the operator. Pre-2007 trucks would have been fine in the same circumstances.

I definitely recognize that not everyone has the luxury of letting a vehicle they just spent $60K+ on sit around not being used daily unless they're really working it, unfortunately many dealers aren't educating their buyers how to take care of the trucks in these circumstances.
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I'm in the market for a diesel powered pickup but the idea that it could ever go into "limp home" mode and leave me stranded is just not acceptable me.
What if there is a hurricane coming and you're evacuating? What if there's a medical emergency in the middle of nowhere? I don't want to be halfway across northern Canada and get stuck doing 5mph.
I guess the solution would be to carry a scanner that can reset the computer. Does that exist to the public yet? Might be expensive but would keep me legal and give me piece of mind.

Any newer vehicle can go into limp mode if something goes wrong, not just diesels.
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Old 11-25-2015, 11:20 AM   #139
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A lot of paranoia about the truck breaking down. So do gassers ,cars etc, etc. It just happens and you have to deal with it.
We just came back from a three month road trip with our 1ton hauling 15,000 5th
wheel all over America. 10,000 miles later we are home. Truck problems = 0 , 2014 model truck best and most powerful pulling truck l have owned .
I love it ! Hope you love yours also.
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I realize that any newer vehicle can go into limp mode but that is not what I am talking about here.
I am specifically concerned about a DEF system equipped truck shutting down due to the EPA mandated computer program. If I buy one of these trucks then I want to be able to use my own scan tool to unlock and reset the computer. I have looked around on the internet and have not been able to find such a tool at any price.
To be honest... If I eventually buy a DEF equipped truck. I am just going to delete the DEF/EGR/DPF and CAT systems before any issues arise and trick the computer with a tuner. I could care less about more horsepower, I just want it to be reliable.
When I am in Mexico or Central/South America, "towing it in" will not be an option.
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