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Old 10-20-2015, 08:28 AM   #29
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Gas motors went through similar woes in the late 70's and into the 80's as cats and emission standards effectively killed power and big V8's for nearly 2 decades.

In 1978 the quickest American vehicle in the quarter mile and 0-100 wasn't a corvette. Wasn't a camaro or T/A. Nor was it a mustang.

It was a Dodge Lil Red Express Truck. 360 la with a 340 cam. Dodge found a loophole to avoid emissions by using stacks. Thats why they had them.
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But in the case of the diesel, we have more power and torque than previous years that had no smog devices on them and the new ones get as good or better MPG.
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But in the case of the diesel, we have more power and torque than previous years that had no smog devices on them and the new ones get as good or better MPG.
In 2007 there were 2 cummins. A 5.9 and later a 6.7. The 5.9 had 325hp 610tq. 6.7 with its 14% bigger engine managed 350/650 max. With that engine also came much worse mpg until 2013. The addition of the SCR system and modern 6sp transmissions has now got the 6.7 with all its emissions junk to get mileage like the old 5.9.
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I remember when emissions controls on automobiles first started really becoming mandatory and widespread. Of course new technologies developed under pressure (regulatory, engineering, marketing, sales, etc) don't work out great to begin with. Everything was new at some point, and the kinks get worked out.

Now we have more automobiles than ever in the US, and the air is cleaner than it was before regulatory crackdown. And those cars are more efficient than they've ever been, too.A few models even belch out cleaner air than they suck in when driven in some smog heavy locations.

This too, shall pass.
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My exhaust is cleaner than the air we get from China. My 14 weighs 8000 pounds, tows my trailer like a dream has 375 HP and 800 FP torque and gets what my 03, with 265HP and 460 torque, got in MPG.
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Damned govt always screws stuff up with stupid regulations. They just don't build things the way they did in the good old days

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The #1 problem you are likely to have with any modern vehicle is related to the emissions stuff.
The increase in efficiency and engine health are undeniable. But the best and most appreciated difference to me is the throttle response. The old sensation of turbo lag is gone. It spools up so much quicker and that is largely due to the removal of the ridiculous throttle body (air flap) in the intake that diverts EGR soot to the intake.
Any time you see a throttle on a diesel, you know something is wrong.

But at the end of the day, the answer depends on whether you are subject to diesel mission statement test. If you are, then this is not for you. If you are not, it's absolutely worth it.

On the Ram up to 2012, it is all bolt on/off. There is no damage and it can be put back to original in a few hours. And depending on the tuner you choose, there may or may not be a physical device in the truck.
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Short answer to the OP's question is NO! Deletes are not needed at all.
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Deleted trucks may perform better but are dirty and they stink.
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Deleted trucks may perform better but are dirty and they stink.
That's a generalization. Not all do, any I like diesel fumes
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They are dirty and they stink. You can drink diesel for all I care, but water is probably a little cheaper.
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That's a generalization. Not all do, any I like diesel fumes
Not a generalization at all. My garage stinks after I park my 66 Chrysler in it. It doesn't stink after I park my two year old car. They're both gas.

Same with diesels, my 2011 Ram doesn't smell nearly as bad as my 2001 CTD or even the 2004 Jetta TDI I had. The O1 tailpipe was black inside and after you started it cold, there was a little streak of wet soot on the floor. Not at speck of soot in the tailpipe of my 11 after four years, cleaner than any gas engine tailpipe I've seen lately..


When you remove the EGR, you are unleashing a full dose of NOX from a 6.7 litre diesel, probably 50 times as much as the 2.0 TDI's that VW is in so much trouble over and removing the DPF puts a full dose of soot into the atmosphere.

I don't like the complication of emission controls either, but I like the idea that my truck isn't contributing to someone's cancer or lung disease even more.
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