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Old 08-20-2014, 05:53 PM   #1
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Bought New 5th Wheel Now I Need a Truck

Okay I've done a lot of reading here but haven't found exactly what I'm looking for so.

I have a Heartland Gateway 3650BH, 41', 15,500 GVWR, 12,999 Dry Weight, 2,020 Hitch Weight and Carrying Capacity 2,501. My budget is for a used truck. I was thinking one ton, DRW, diesel.

Considering my budget can I go as old as 2008? I've read in a few places that 2011 would be better. I've always owned Chevys but I would consider all makes. Without starting a war is one better suited than the other? One other thing, we are full timing probably traveling 6000 per year.

Thank you all in advance for your help.

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I'm sure some will show up promoting that it can be pulled by a Ford Ranger or similar (LOL).

seriously tho. You need to consider safety of towing ans stopping; not just pulling it just fine. With that weight you are probably looking at a 1 ton dually or possibly a 1 ton SRW. For your pin weight use 20% of the trailers GVWR (or roughly 3100 #'s). I had an `08 Ford Super Duty and fell victim to Ford's advertising promoting better MPG in the 2011+ models. My `08 got 15-16 mpg solo and 9.5-11 towing. My 2012 is actually 1-2 MPG less than my `08; it gets 14 solo but it gets 11-12 towing. Not to mention I need to periodically put that $12 bottle of cat pee (DEF) in.

Take a look at the sticky at the top of this thread. It will help a lot. That is if you really want to tow it safely.
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Hey John -
- you need a truck with a GAWR (rear) heavy enough to carry the weight of the truck + 200 for a 5 wheel hitch plus a hitch weight of 15,500 X.2 = 3100. .25 would be better 3875. If you are looking at a used truck you should be able to get it on the scale. It should be loaded with full fuel, you and DW and any "stuff" you plan to carry in the box when you weigh it. Look at the GAWR (rear) and that should be greater than the sum of the actual rear axle weight plus 3875 + 200 for the 5 wheel hitch. If you are going to put that front bike rack on and carry a motorcycle, etc you have to account for that as well.

- the sum of the pin weight (3100 or 3875) + 200 for hitch plus the loaded weight of the truck should be less than the GVWR of the intended truck.

- weight of the loaded truck and add the weight of the trailer 15500 + 200 for the hitch. The sum should be less than the GCVW of the truck you are considering.

If the specs for the truck you are considering are all higher then you should be good to go.
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Hey John -
- you need a truck with a GAWR (rear) heavy enough to carry the weight of the truck + 200 for a 5 wheel hitch plus a hitch weight of 15,500 X.2 = 3100. .25 would be better 3875. If you are looking at a used truck you should be able to get it on the scale. It should be loaded with full fuel, you and DW and any "stuff" you plan to carry in the box when you weigh it. Look at the GAWR (rear) and that should be greater than the sum of the actual rear axle weight plus 3875 + 200 for the 5 wheel hitch. If you are going to put that front bike rack on and carry a motorcycle, etc you have to account for that as well.

- the sum of the pin weight (3100 or 3875) + 200 for hitch plus the loaded weight of the truck should be less than the GVWR of the intended truck.

- weight of the loaded truck and add the weight of the trailer 15500 + 200 for the hitch. The sum should be less than the GCVW of the truck you are considering.

If the specs for the truck you are considering are all higher then you should be good to go.
I think I am following you. Here are the specs of a truck I am considering:

2010 Chevy Silverado 3500 LTZ Crew Diesel DRW 4X4. GVWR 11400, GAWR FRT 4860 and GAWRR 8200. Would something like this work?
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I have towed a similar Big Country for 5 years with a 2005 F250 6.0l diesel. Tows much better then previous SOB that was 13k lbs.
We do over 10k miles on the road per year.
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Keep it simple with all the numbers. My 3/4 ton diesel with a 60 tow program can tow heavy weights, but it just cannot handle the heavy Pin weights.

Just go with a good used 1 ton dual rear wheel truck--any of the big 3.

I really planned on buying a Big Horn, but my truck wouldn't be enough to tow it safely. We had to go with a lighter fifth wheel--12K/2K dry weight.
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Big Horns are much heavier then my BC and I can not tow one neither. But the gateway has similar weight as the BC.
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I think I am following you. Here are the specs of a truck I am considering:

2010 Chevy Silverado 3500 LTZ Crew Diesel DRW 4X4. GVWR 11400, GAWR FRT 4860 and GAWRR 8200. Would something like this work?

Need to know what the truck weighs with you, DW, lunch, full tanks, propane bottles etc. Need a total weight and weight on front and rear axles.

You will lose some capacity because of the 4x4.

What is GCWR for the truck.
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Okay I've done a lot of reading here but haven't found exactly what I'm looking for so.

I have a Heartland Gateway 3650BH, 41', 15,500 GVWR, 12,999 Dry Weight, 2,020 Hitch Weight and Carrying Capacity 2,501. My budget is for a used truck. I was thinking one ton, DRW, diesel.

Considering my budget can I go as old as 2008? I've read in a few places that 2011 would be better. I've always owned Chevys but I would consider all makes. Without starting a war is one better suited than the other? One other thing, we are full timing probably traveling 6000 per year.

Thank you all in advance for your help.

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Rear axle ratio is also important. Look for 4:10 or lower IMHO. 2011 F-450 with 4:30 and 6.7 Powerstroke would be my first suggestion, if within your budget.
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As far as RAM goes I would stick to late 2011 with the HO engine.

I tow a combined weight of nearly 29K and the truck has been flawless.

9.5 hand calc West Coast Towing averaged over many tanks.

Happy to see you know you should be towing with a Dually!
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My advise is to get one with the juice to do the job; not a marginal rig where you'll have worry about being over weight when adding another75 lbs of gear. Few people ever say, "gee, my truck has too much capacity for my rv."
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One ton Dooley DRW would be my choice. Make and model would be yours.
2010 or older and you don't have to mess with DEF.
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One ton Dooley DRW would be my choice. Make and model would be yours.
2010 or older and you don't have to mess with DEF.
RAM 2012 and older no DEF.
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I bought a low miles (80K) 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 diesel dually. It was cheap and has given me 18 months of good service so far. I also bought a 36 month 36,000 miles service plan (just in case). I'm pulling a toyhauler that tops out at 13,800.



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