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Old 11-19-2014, 09:31 PM   #1
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Well I'm close to placing my order for a new Outdoors RV Creek Side 23RKS. Its listed at 6000 lbs dry weight including the 620lb hitch weight, 7700 lbs max trailer weight. My truck is a 2000 Dodge CTD 2500 extra cab, 4x4, 5sp, 3.55 gears, Dana 80 rear axle. 8800lb gross payload and a 9400lb towing capacity. 16000lb GCWR. Truck weighs about 6950 empty with just me and full tank of fuel.
What do you think, truck pull it and be within limits?
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:43 PM   #2
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Ya you'll be fine. Even with a a 15% tongue weight at 7000 lbs, you're still way way safe for carrying extra gear. Shouldn't even notice the trailer much
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:46 PM   #3
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Pretty sure according their website the 6000lbs includes the hitch weight. Really like that TT and it fits our needs really well.
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:28 PM   #4
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You'll have a great combo there.
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Old 11-20-2014, 01:52 AM   #5
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Plenty of truck. On steep grades, you will be doing some downshifting. If you don't have an exhaust brake, get one. They are money well spent. Have fun.
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:37 AM   #6
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Well I'm close to placing my order for a new Outdoors RV Creek Side 23RKS. Its listed at ... 7700 lbs max trailer weight.
That's a TT, so expect average tongue weight of around 13% of wet and loaded trailer weight. So when loaded for bear, expect about 1,000 pounds tongue weight and 7,500 pounds trailer weight.

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My truck is ... 8800lb gross payload ...Truck weighs about 6950 empty with just me and full tank of fuel.
I assume you mean the GVWR is 8,800, so the max payload is 8800 minus the 6,950 truck weight, or 1,850 pounds available for addition cargo and hitch weight. With hitch weight of about 1,000 pounds, that leaves 850 pounds of payload capacity available for more cargo (people and stuff) before you reach the GVWR.

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and a 9400lb towing capacity. 16000lb GCWR.
With GCWR of 16,000 and minus the trailer weight of about 7,500, that leaves 8,500 pounds for max wet and loaded truck weight before you tie onto the trailer. So your stick shift diesel with 3.55 axle runs out of GCWR before you reach the GVWR of the truck. So reduce the additional weight of people and stuff by 300 pounds to 550 pounds, and you'll not exceed either the GVWR or GCWR of your tow vehicle.

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What do you think, truck pull it and be within limits?
Yes, but you don't have a lot of margin for additional people and stuff in the truck. One or two people and a few tools puts you up to the GCWR limit.

The GCWR tells you the max weight your well-maintained truck can pull up a normal mountain pass on an interstate highway without overheating anything in the drivetrain and without being the slowpoke holding up traffic. You'll have no problem towing a 7,500 pound TT on the plains, but steep hills and mountain passes will put your truck at the limit.

Your actual tow rating is the 16,000 GCWR minus the 6,950 wet and loaded weight of the truck, or 9,050 pounds. That's less than the Dodge tow rating of 9,400 because your truck weighs more than the 6,600 pounds Dodge used to compute the tow rating of your truck. But it's plenty to tow a 7,500 pound trailer if you pay attention to the weight you haul in the truck.

The GVWR of your truck tells you the max weight the wet and loaded truck can weigh, including hitch and hitch weight. 8,800 was common for the GVWR of a diesel three-quarter ton pickup back then. (My '99.5 F-250 diesel also had GVWR of 8,800 pounds). The GVWR limits the weight of cargo and hitch weight you can haul in the truck without exceeding the weight capacity of the suspension, tires, wheels, brakes, etc., of the truck.

Dodge says you should never exceed either the GVWR or GCWR of your truck. In your case, GCWR is the limiter. So when you hit the CAT scale, all you have to be concerned with is the gross weight of the rig and be sure it doesn't exceed 16,000.
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:32 AM   #7
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Thanks everyone for your imput. I've been crunching the numbers and an I have come up with the same thing. I used to tow a 2001 Desert Fox back in 01. Bought it and didn't pay attention to the weights of either the truck or towing capacities. Had a half ton ford 4x4 at that time. That's why I bought the Dodge back in 02. Even then I didn't look at the load and towing capacities of the Dodge. Just figured its a diesel it will tow it and it did but never realizing the truck was at it limits and probably over them many times. Now I like to have a little wiggle room. I still use the WD bars that I bought for the Desert Fox and installed a class 5 hitch on the truck in 02. Thinking about installing some over load springs on the truck also along with a exhaust brake. Just put a 4 inch exhaust system on it and it made a huge difference in power.
I usually don't haul much in the truck when towing, just the wife and kid, a small tool box and a medium size ice chest. It amazes me when I see some of the trailers people are towing with half ton trucks, its scary, don't want too be in front of them on a 6% down grade. Living up here in the Sierra Nevada mountains I'm either going down hill or pulling a grade so like I said I don't like being at or over limits anymore.
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Have you considered 4.11 gears?
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Being that it is a 4x4 changing two gear sets is very expensive and time consuming. I am toying with the idea of putting a 1 ton axle in the rear with the same gear ratio i have now. Biggest difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton is the width and number of leaf springs, brake size and a full floating axle. A full floating axle is a much stronger axle/hub combination. We'll see after I get the TT. If it tows it without problems then I'll leave things alone.
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I have an 08 CTD 3500 4x4 SRW. Other than the overload spring package, I believe your Dana 80 is as strong or stronger than the 3.73 11.5 American Axel in my truck.

Good idea to see how it tows before you start changing things.
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Probably wouldn't matter much, but my creekside trailer weighed 610 pounds more than advertised. Almost half that being tongue wt. Great TT, you'll love it.
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I wouldn't do any mods to the truck till you see what is needed after a good tow. Chances are it will be just fine as long as you're not in hurry. Those trucks have been used to tow much more than what you will be doing. Enjoy it.
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I think if I do anything I will add over load springs. The only time that truck squatted was when I put a whole pallet of retaining wall blocks in the bed. I think the guy at the hardware store told me later a pallet of those weigh about 3500lbs. Not sure but it was heavy.
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Quick question. Wouldn't a weight distribution hitch shift part of the hitch weight back on to the trailer As well as the front wheels of the truck?
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