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Old 09-09-2016, 09:31 PM   #1
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Decided on a new 5er...now to upgrade truck

I think we have decided on a new 5th wheel! We are going with a Keystone Sprinter 298FWRLS. Haven't got it yet so I don't have very accurate numbers.

GVWR - 12270
UVW - 9730
CCC - 2540
Hitch wt. - 2110
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I was going to pull the Durango1500 with my F150...but...this one is about 1 1/2 to 2 FT. longer and about 2000 lbs. heavier. So I think I'll look for a used F250. The lower prices on the 6.2 gas trucks are tempting....but I think a diesel would be much better in the long run. I think a F250 Diesel will pull it anywhere we want to go! But finding a good price on it may prove a task in itself.
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Check with Fifthwheelst.com to get accurate information on towing capacity of 250 's

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I think we have decided on a new 5th wheel! We are going with a Keystone Sprinter 298FWRLS. Haven't got it yet so I don't have very accurate numbers.

GVWR - 12270
UVW - 9730
CCC - 2540
Hitch wt. - 2110
34' 7"

I was going to pull the Durango1500 with my F150...but...this one is about 1 1/2 to 2 FT. longer and about 2000 lbs. heavier. So I think I'll look for a used F250. The lower prices on the 6.2 gas trucks are tempting....but I think a diesel would be much better in the long run. I think a F250 Diesel will pull it anywhere we want to go! But finding a good price on it may prove a task in itself.


You can check Fifthwheelst.com to get accurate towing capacities of 250 and 350 pick ups. I think a Diesel is the only way to go for the trailer you are thinking about. In all probability you will be just at if not technically overweight with a 250. When you are at or overweight with single rear wheel 250's you get a "tail wagging the dog syndrome " if you have to panic stop. Remember Pulling is not the problem , it's having enough truck under the trailer when trying to stop on curves or quick stops. If you planning short trips on flat land probably no problem, but if your going to the mountains that is a different matter.
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Old 09-09-2016, 10:27 PM   #3
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Any 2002 or newer diesel model 250/2500 will be adequate for that 12K 5th wheel
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GVWR - 12270
UVW - 9730
Hitch wt. - 2110
Hitch weight is over 21% of UVW. That means it's likey to be around 20% or more for a loaded trailer. So if you load the trailer to 12,000 pounds, that's 2,400 pounds pin weight.

2011-up F-250 with 6.2L gasser drivetrain has GVWR of 10,000 pounds. Subtract 2,400 pounds for pin weight and another 150 pounds for the weight of the installed 5er hitch and that leaves you with only 7,450 pounds for the truck loaded with people and tools and campfire wood and anything else you haul in the pickup. IOW, you're probably be overloaded over the payload capacity of your tow vehicle.

That F-250 with 6.2L drivetrain and 3.73 axle ratio has a tow rating of 11,900 pounds. IOW, you're going to be right up against the pulling power of the gas engine. It will have to scream at high RPM to climb hills and passes. It will make it, but it won't be pleasant.

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The lower prices on the 6.2 gas trucks are tempting....but I think a diesel would be much better in the long run. I think a F250 Diesel will pull it anywhere we want to go! But finding a good price on it may prove a task in itself.
The diesel is rated to tow a maximum of over 14k, so that would be the powertrain of choice. You'll still probably exceed the payload capacity of the F-250, but no problem pulling a 12k trailer over the mountains. You'll be in good company with lots of other RVers that overload their F-250s, and unless they weigh their rig on a CAT scale, they don't even realize it because that drivetrain is so powerful.

What to do? Move up to the F-350 SRW diesel. It has 1,500 pounds more payload capacity, so you won't be close to overloaded. The pulling power is the same for both SRW pickups. Yeah, the used F-350 SRW is much harder to find, but they're out there. So plan on doing the search for an F-350 SRW diesels. You'll be glad you did.

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No. 2002 and early 2003 F-250 had the bulletproof but not very powerful 7.3L diesel engine, and only 8,800 pounds GVWR. Without extensive mods they would be adequate to tow my 8,000-pound 5er, but nothing more than about 10k. A 12k 5er would be out of the question. Beginning with the 2003.5 6.0L engine they would be overloaded but have enough power to drag the trailer. It was not until the 2005 models that Ford increased the GVWR of the F-250 to 10,000 pounds. But 10k GVWR in a diesel pickup means you are forever sweating how much weight you load in the truck and trailer if you don't want to be overloaded.
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Think we found a fair deal on a truck. It's a 2014 F250 diesel Lariat FX4 equipped just like mine. With a 3.55 axle.
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Payload capacity of Chev/GMC 2016 250 is 2782lbs. A 12k trailer has a potential pin weight of (20% =2400lbs ) before hitch and everything else, can't see how you wouldn't be at or exceeding payload alone.

I for one don't get all bent out of shape about being slightly overweight or even several thousand pounds , if the tow vehicle is set up right . It is however more important if your talking about payload as you will frequently see 250's squatting under the the load of too much pin weight. Many people feel that shocks / air bags accommodate that problem , but adding those items does not increase the payload / GCVWR it just stops the squatting.
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Guess my 2015 Silverado is different. My "actuall" payload is just over 3000 lbs...That is with me a full fuel... Yes I have weighed it...
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Guess my 2015 Silverado is different. My "actuall" payload is just over 3000 lbs...That is with me a full fuel... Yes I have weighed it...
Mine is much different than yours. Mine has less than 2300 pounds available. It's a 2016 2500 4x4 crew cab with duramax. To have over 3000 pounds available it must be a 2wd regular cab.

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Highly recommend diesel, we have F350 and love it
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Just really have to watch the cargo capacity on a lot of 3/4 ton trucks. A lot of RAM diesel units I've looked at are actually under 2,000 cargo capacity which if you are a legalize type of person means you can't tow too much of a 5'er. The RAM 2500's with the 6.4 have about 1,000 lbs more cargo capacity, but you won't be happy with that 6.4 pulling a 14K trailer on hills.
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Seems most nicely optioned 2500 diesels have around 2500-2700lbs payload. My ram 3500 fully loaded has 4076lbs payload. Payload capacity and fifth wheels will get you before "tow rating" will normally
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We got a truck. It's a 2014 F250 diesel Lariat.

It may drive the weight police crazy...but I think it'll do just fine. It's a short bed, 6 1/2 I think, so I may drop a PullRite Super Slider in...will measure when I pick it up...Friday I think.
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Yikes! And a shortbed..... Congrats.
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Mine is much different than yours. Mine has less than 2300 pounds available. It's a 2016 2500 4x4 crew cab with duramax. To have over 3000 pounds available it must be a 2wd regular cab.

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By looking at the "actual" numbers, my 20" E rated tires are good to 3195 lbs each... (times 2) The rear axle is rated at 6200 lbs. Now you seem to be going by GVWR which you are correct as in 10,000 lbs. (weight of my truck with me full fuel is 7760 , rear axle 3080 lbs) BUT,,, GVCW (with trailer) is 24,500 lbs... I thought we were talking about pulling trailers here... SO I have a available pin weight of approx 3100 lbs without overloading per the factory...(NO I would not push it that far) I guess I miss stated "payload" instead of "pin weight" ..............
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