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Old 05-02-2007, 04:54 PM   #29
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I think there are a few key points that many have touched on but coved very good. In my opinion fuel additives are a must , they are the only way to control water in your fuel system and they need to be used often in the summer and winter . In the winter to help with fuel clouding and lower the pour point , many think fuel jell poin its where the problem is. It isnt its the cloud point where the fuel will no longer pass threw a paper filter , if you get to the pour point (jell ) its way to late . Water gets suspended in the fuel in very small droplets and clogs the pores of the paper filter when it gets cloudy. Fuel additives dont work over night to reduce large volumes of water , it takes time and large fequent doses of additives to remove water you can see . Often times fuel is wet but the water is suspended in the fuel so it doesnt form drops , at this point fuel untreated on a cold day will clog a filter at temps as warm as 22*f . Dot get me wrong I am not preaching use the stuff like fuel but not useing any is foolish .

Biodiesel : in my opinion clean bio thats made in a lab could be used at over the manufactures spec with zero issues . The problem is that bio has a shelf life and its short and almost none of it is tested to meet any kind of spec that the OEM will agree to.So they just say B5 is safe because it contains so little vegi oil and so much fuel sovent .
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Old 05-02-2007, 05:40 PM   #30
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Mark, While it is true fuel oil has a natural affinity for moisture, your definition of cloud point is a mis-conception. Additives are not required if you keep the fuel system clean, and the tank at least 1/2 full in widely varying temperatures, like spring and fall. The most common source of water-in-fuel is condensation within nearly empty tanks from these fluctuating temperatures. Next is buying fuel from low activity sources.
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You are correct that MA does not have a standard for biodoesel. It is up to the individual states to regulate it. Many states are or already have adopted ASTM D6751 as the fuel specification for biodiesel
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/fuelqualityguide/

The biggest reason none of the manufacturers have endorsed B100 is they hhave not invested the large sum of money needed to do the engineering tests for warranty work. When customer demand is high enough they will spend the money to test the fuel and certify it. Until the majority of the customers are demanding to use B100 it is a whole lot cheaper to just say it is not certified for use.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lee C:
I live in NC and have not seen any ULSD. The 2 local places where I buy still have LSD stickers on the pump. We went to Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago and again, didn't see any ULSD. Not trying to rush it, but when is that stuff mandatory?

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From what I have heard - it is mandatory now.

I was suprised how fast it got into the tanks.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wynot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lee C:
I live in NC and have not seen any ULSD. The 2 local places where I buy still have LSD stickers on the pump. We went to Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago and again, didn't see any ULSD. Not trying to rush it, but when is that stuff mandatory?

Thanks,

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From what I have heard - it is mandatory now.

I was suprised how fast it got into the tanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not totally mandatory until 2010 from a retail sale standpoint. There is a somewhat complex set of rules for how this comes about but most retailers are switching now because refiners made the switch all most across the board by last October. It is mandatory that 2007 egines use it. I have just crossed US from SC to UT and had nothing but ULSD available at the places I stopped.
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