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Old 10-08-2016, 07:46 AM   #71
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L.C.Gray,
Re-reading it, believe you are correct. Thanks.
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"How can you know that all truck stops are B20? I'm in Colorado and the local truck stop is 100% not B20. It's hard to lump all truck stops into the B20 category isnt it?"

Are you positive about this--100% Bio, or did you mean 100% B20? Never seen anywhere that sells B100 only....unless, like during the high-fuel cost years, you went to a hurriedly-into-biodiesel business station.

By the way, whatever happened to all the 'do-it-yourself' biodiesel kits--the ones you 'could go to McDonalds and get their old grease'?

My apologies, you are correct I meant to say 100% B20....
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My apologies, you are correct I meant to say 100% B20....
Now I'm sure we're really all confused....

B20 is a mixture of 80% petroleum based diesel and 20% Bio-Diesel...

So let the guessing begin again...
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Two things happened to "Make You own Diesel", first many of the fast food companies discovered they could run their fleets for free on their waste oil (Biodiesel Magazine - The Latest News and Data About Biodiesel Production) and the state governments discovered that all those do-it-yourself folks were avoiding the payment of road taxes and created regulations that require significant record keeping and payment of taxes. Here are some of the California regulations the states vary. )http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub96.pdf)

Add the fact that the process is somewhat messy and many folks just gave up unless they were making it for farm tractors. Which avoids the hassles.
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31' trailer and extended F350....over 60'. I go back with the big boys unless there is a end diesel pump out front with lots of room.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:03 PM   #76
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15k towing with my diesel and using truck stops. Never had a an issue. 34 gallons goes a lot quicker than 200 so the truckers don't seem to mind. I'm not a fan of Love's truck stops though. Always have to go inside because I don't have a Loves fuel card. Flying J and Pilot are easier for me
Agreed. that has always annoyed me that I can't pay at the pump. Makes me self conscious as well when a big rig is waiting for me.
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Old 10-10-2016, 04:34 PM   #77
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At one station on our Alaska trip i pulled up crossways to the pump as i would have never been able to get out. Only blocked one lane just as i would have if i pulled in the right way.
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I don't know any diesel owner's that use bio on purpose. Good luck.
Me. I for a while used 175-100% bio-diesel in my VW passat, it seemed to have a little more low down torque, use a little more fuel and smelled of fish and chips.
It was also 1/3 the price but then I moved house and my commute no longer passed by the place selling it and then all the take aways and restaurants got wise so the price shot up.

As an aside this whole thread is really amusing to a European, the paranoia about "dirty diesel" or "stale diesel" is staggering I've been using diesel vehicles for 20 years and my family even longer (from the '60s) and travelled all over Europe, the Middle East and South Africa filling up where ever and when ever and I've NEVER had a problem with dirty fuel.

Is it really that big a problem in the states?!?
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I have driven over 50k miles yearly in a diesel truck since '07--not one instance of 'bad' diesel in that time. Sometimes the filters look new, sometimes have sediment, but never caused a problem. And it runs thru an aux tank also.
The problem really stems from Mfgs denying warranty claims on 'bad' diesel--Ford seems to be famous over water-in-fuel claim denials on the diesel forums.
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Is it really that big a problem in the states?!?
The problem is all of the smog stuff in the new diesels. DPF, etc. New diesels require Ultra Low Sulpher fuel. Long gone are the days of not caring.
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Our thought.... we have a 2011 Winnebago with Freightliner chassis (luckily without DEF. )

Called Winnebago to ask about B20; told to call Freightliner.

Called Freightliner to ask about B20; told to call Cummins.

Called Cummins, they said our engine (serial number) was fine with B20, but to call Freightliner about the tank and lines and filters.

Asked Cummins about our Onan (Cummins Onan) generator and B20; told to call Kubota!

Haven't called Kubota yet.

Thank god I did not have a diesel AquaHot to ask about.

Emailed Winnebago about how ridiculous it was to call around to all these places, when they should know. Their response was to NOT use B20.

We have had B5-B20 in our tanks, but try to avoid if we can. Pilot and Flying J app often lists "intended bio diesel" for their stations, but some stations list nothing at all.

9 out of 10 calls to fuel stations to ask about biodiesel get a 'huh' response. They just don't know.

Some stations have different tanks for diesel, so auto lanes have B0 and truck lanes have whatever. Other stations have the same tanks so B0 all lanes. Again they usually just don't know.

In the summer months B20 is what Pilot/Flying J pushes. Close to winter the percent goes down due to cold weather issue with biodiesel; so I have been told.
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When I asked Freightliner about B20 at the Tampa RV show in January this year, they said that Winnebago does not spec thier chassis for B20, and Freightliner Custom Chassis builts what they ask for.
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As an aside this whole thread is really amusing to a European, the paranoia about "dirty diesel" or "stale diesel" is staggering I've been using diesel vehicles for 20 years and my family even longer (from the '60s) and travelled all over Europe, the Middle East and South Africa filling up where ever and when ever and I've NEVER had a problem with dirty fuel.

Is it really that big a problem in the states?!?
I finally had a distant memory pop in my head. The year: 1981 The towing vehicle: 1978 VW Rabbit diesel (complete with 4-sp tranny, A/C and a whopping 48-hp) The RV: an old Apache soft-top pop-up, basically a tent above ground but it had a full-width attached awning and screen room. Towing on our trip from NE-Wisconsin to DisneyWorld and back found out that the camper dramatically wrecked out mileage. Overall I believe we averaged around 35 mpg for the entire trip.

Ok, back to the fuel. One stop I still remember and it was on "the top of the hill" aka Monteagle, TN on our way home. Pulled in quite low on fuel and topped off at a truck stop. A few minutes later it became apparent there was a fuel problem. Car belched blacker than black exhaust. The rear of the car and the camper were coated with a black greasy thick film. I remember having to drop a gear on slight inclines. A ways up the road as soon as I used about 1/3 tank I found a #1-fuel oil pump and topped off, That seemed to clear up much of issue but the next tank then finished it.
I have no idea what was wrong with the fuel but I didn't have any plugged filter issues. I did read back then that some fuel stops would add up o 10% drain oil to fuel oil and still sell it.
It's all speculation now. I do miss my little smoker. I could take 47mpg average overall to the bank. Top mpg was 57 mpg with 4 adults in the little rabbit, and with 4-working glo-plugs, a good battery and good fuel I'd take it to start over any of my friends gassers at -20+F here in the Frozen Tundra. It sounded like the pistons were switching holes but it started and ran.

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We don't travel the miles alot of you do, but with our long dually and the 40' 5er, I wouldn't try to get into an auto lane for fuel. I saw a YouTube video once of a 5er hitting the canopy and I decided not to even stress over it. Truck lane for me.

I always start a trip either away or back home with a full tank, and never let it go below 1/4.

DEF fills at the truck lanes are incredibly convenient.

Typically the family uses the bathroom while I fill up. I pull up when done so someone can get in the pump behind me, then I hit the head, while the Mrs. Is there to move the rig if needed... hasn't been needed yet.
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