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Old 06-03-2013, 08:28 AM   #15
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I have owned two v10s, and recently bought a GM 6.0....kinda wish I had another v10. Pulled like hell and mpg was no worse than my current truck. Enjoy!
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Slightly different here...
Had a 2010 F350 SRW SB V-10 Crew. Currently have a 2011 F350 DRW LB 6.7 Crew.
Pulling my 14k (max) 5er south on I81 through Wilkes-Barre to maintain 52 the engine was running about 4000 rpm (2 mile stretch). Now I have power to spare
Pulling across route 6 the same route with 2010 and 2011 the mpg went from 7-7.5 to 10-10.25 (hand calc).
Had I been in the plains or only occasionally pulled in the hills I might have kept it. Living here it just would not work for me.
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Old 06-03-2013, 07:44 PM   #17
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Hands down, the diesel wil out perform and outlast the gasser. having had a V-10 in an E450 chassis, the engine is strong fro a gasser, but still no match for a diesel.

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Old 06-04-2013, 07:31 PM   #18
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I like my v10 but as others have stated, it depends on use. My v10 gets usage towing 3-5 times a year with some long drives and some short but the rest of the time is local city driving.
I can live with the 8-10 mpg towing as it isnt enough to cost me much more $$.
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:58 PM   #19
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The question is: what's your price range?
Here are my thoughts:
1) I like the V10 as a "cheap" (up front cost) hauler. I would look at 2005+ models that have the 5-speed, as it makes a huge difference. Look at hp / torque before buying older than 2003. They were giving used V10s away back when gas was approaching $5/gal.
2) I would not own a Ford 6.0L diesel. Way too many potential issues.
3) My "gasser" tow truck of choice is the recent 5.7L Tundra. 381 hp, great torque. Huge brakes. Reliable. 6 speed transmission. It only tows up to about 10.5k lbs though.. .
4) I would own a Ford 6.7L diesel, but now we're talking real money.
5) GM/Dodge - I just don't know enough to make a good recommendation.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:49 PM   #20
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I hate to butt in again, but i disagree that pre-2003 v10's should be avoided. I own a '99 and maybe i am an exception but it pulls my 30' 5th wheel just fine. I'm in ohio and i've taken it to florida and into michigan with absolutely no issues. I tow around 60-65 and avg about 8.5 towing. If you are on a budget, don't limit yourself because you just might miss aa great truck at a good price. My truck has low mileage for its age and has always been meticulously maintained. It currently has around 111k and i figure i wont need a new truck for a long time. Its a drw cc, lariat. Gas is cheap when you dont have a monthly payment to make.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:52 PM   #21
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I hate to butt in again, but i disagree that pre-2003 v10's should be avoided. I own a '99 and maybe i am an exception but it pulls my 30' 5th wheel just fine. I'm in ohio and i've taken it to florida and into michigan with absolutely no issues. I tow around 60-65 and avg about 8.5 towing. If you are on a budget, don't limit yourself because you just might miss aa great truck at a good price. My truck has low mileage for its age and has always been meticulously maintained. It currently has around 111k and i figure i wont need a new truck for a long time. Its a drw cc, lariat. Gas is cheap when you dont have a monthly payment to make.
Agreed. The 5R110W (torqshift) is a great trans but the 4R100 is also. The only benefit to the torqshift is having a lower 1st gear ratio. 5th and 6th gears is the same ratio as 3rd and 4th in the 4R100.
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Agreed. The 5R110W (torqshift) is a great trans but the 4R100 is also. The only benefit to the torqshift is having a lower 1st gear ratio. 5th and 6th gears is the same ratio as 3rd and 4th in the 4R100.
I think it's a 5-speed. The 4-speed version has a pretty nasty gap between 2nd and 3rd, if I recall right...

And sure, a 1999 can pull a 30' trailer no problem...
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I think it's a 5-speed. The 4-speed version has a pretty nasty gap between 2nd and 3rd, if I recall right...

And sure, a 1999 can pull a 30' trailer no problem...

The torqshift is a 6 speed transmission that uses only 5 of them. 4th and 5th gear is dependent on TFT. In some cases 2nd gear will not be commanded applied based on calibration and engine load so only 1,3,5,6 gears will be commanded and used. The ratios on the 4R100 are pretty close. 2.71:1, 1.54:1, 1:1 and .71:1
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The torqshift is a 6 speed transmission that uses only 5 of them. 4th and 5th gear is dependent on TFT. In some cases 2nd gear will not be commanded applied based on calibration and engine load so only 1,3,5,6 gears will be commanded and used. The ratios on the 4R100 are pretty close. 2.71:1, 1.54:1, 1:1 and .71:1
While technically correct, that's a bunch of mumbo jumbo that won't make any sense to over 99% of SuperDuty owners.

The big difference between the 4R100 and the 5R110 TorqueShift, in addition to the one extra gear ratio, is that the 5R100 has a tow-haul mode and the 4R100 doesn't. Ford says the 5R100 is a 5-speed (the 5 in the name = 5-speed), and Ford lists 5 gear ratios in the Ford specs:

1st: 3.11
2nd: 2.22
3rd: 1.55
4th: 1.00 direct drive
5th: 0.71 overdrive

And yeah, the top three gears in the 4R100 are almost identical to the top three gears in the 5R110.

In gas-engine SuperDuty pickups, the 4R100 continued to be the automatic tranny installed throughout the 2003 and 2004 model years. Beginning with the 2005 model years, Ford installed the 5R100 TorqueShift tranny behind all SuperDuty engines, even the lowly 5.4L V8.

So if you want a V10 with tow-haul mode, be sure it's at least a 2005 model.
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I have three V10 Fords with the 5 speed auto and one lowly 5.4 V8 with the five speed auto. All with the tow haul mode. When in 5th gear and you are losing speed the torque converter will unlock and let the engine rev a little more. Then it will down shift to fourth if needed. I can stop from a dead stop and with wide open throttle I have never counted six gears only five, sorry. And if they actually have six gears, why don't Ford list it in the gear ratio specs. And going up hill downshifting I have never experienced that sixth gear. It just feels like another downshift when the torque converter unlocks and you gain about 300 rpms.
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I have three V10 Fords with the 5 speed auto and one lowly 5.4 V8 with the five speed auto. All with the tow haul mode. When in 5th gear and you are losing speed the torque converter will unlock and let the engine rev a little more. Then it will down shift to fourth if needed. I can stop from a dead stop and with wide open throttle I have never counted six gears only five, sorry. And if they actually have six gears, why don't Ford list it in the gear ratio specs. And going up hill downshifting I have never experienced that sixth gear. It just feels like another downshift when the torque converter unlocks and you gain about 300 rpms.
If you read my comments either 4th gear will be used or 5th gear. If TFT is under 5*F the shift pattern (ratio) will be 1,2,3,4,6. If over 5*F the shift pattern will be (ratio)1,2,3,5,6. Only 5 ratios will be used and under certain engine loads and calibrations the shift pattern (ratio) will be 1,3,5,6. Ford does have the ratios listed also.

Gear Ratio 1st 3.114 to 1 2nd 2.202 to 1 3rd 1.545 to 1 4th 1.096 to 1 5th 1 to 1 6th 0.707 to 1 Reverse 2.88 to 1
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If anything, my favorite feature of the Torqshift5 is the very simple design. No valve body. All clutchs are controlled via direct solenoids. Very robust and very little failures.
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If you read my comments either 4th gear will be used or 5th gear. If TFT is under 5*F the shift pattern (ratio) will be 1,2,3,4,6. If over 5*F the shift pattern will be (ratio)1,2,3,5,6. Only 5 ratios will be used and under certain engine loads and calibrations the shift pattern (ratio) will be 1,3,5,6. Ford does have the ratios listed also.

Gear Ratio 1st 3.114 to 1 2nd 2.202 to 1 3rd 1.545 to 1 4th 1.096 to 1 5th 1 to 1 6th 0.707 to 1 Reverse 2.88 to 1
I am still a bit confused as you and Smokey list two different gear ratios. But I have herd they do have six gears.
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