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Old 02-27-2005, 12:37 PM   #1
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There are a lot of folks out and about who want to know what mods = what power...so for the guy who's done nothing to his/her truck yet ... thought I'd give you my #s....261.4 hp 533 tq Nothing fancy done to the truck... 4" aluminized exhaust.. E-Bay Speacial..275.00 NAPA open air filter, and a 5" section of 4" exhaust to connect it to the air tube, + clamps 40.00 + - a few pennies a Super chips tuner 1705... middle tow performance setting... and a Set of Autometer gauges...Ran the truck up to 3600 rpms, Peaks were from around 1900-2600rpms, How this equates to real world scenario (Just using me as the example) I have a 37' 5th wheel... the truck and trailer fully loaded we get close to the 21500 mark, With no tuner installed going over Snoqualmie Pass I'm sure you'll have one similar or worse close at hand... This is the 3rd gear 3000 rpm 48mph hill for several miles... then just as I peak the top (grade increases) down to 39-41 mph. Now with the Tuner installed, 60 at the base in overdrive cruise set at 60.......all the way up the hill until just at the peak then down shift from OD to 5th, Speed dropped to 58... foot back on the floor I will start to gain speed... all the while EGT's never exceed 1175..... anyway I thought this post would help all who tow and are looking for a little more go without worrying about breaking any thing...
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There are a lot of folks out and about who want to know what mods = what power...so for the guy who's done nothing to his/her truck yet ... thought I'd give you my #s....261.4 hp 533 tq Nothing fancy done to the truck... 4" aluminized exhaust.. E-Bay Speacial..275.00 NAPA open air filter, and a 5" section of 4" exhaust to connect it to the air tube, + clamps 40.00 + - a few pennies a Super chips tuner 1705... middle tow performance setting... and a Set of Autometer gauges...Ran the truck up to 3600 rpms, Peaks were from around 1900-2600rpms, How this equates to real world scenario (Just using me as the example) I have a 37' 5th wheel... the truck and trailer fully loaded we get close to the 21500 mark, With no tuner installed going over Snoqualmie Pass I'm sure you'll have one similar or worse close at hand... This is the 3rd gear 3000 rpm 48mph hill for several miles... then just as I peak the top (grade increases) down to 39-41 mph. Now with the Tuner installed, 60 at the base in overdrive cruise set at 60.......all the way up the hill until just at the peak then down shift from OD to 5th, Speed dropped to 58... foot back on the floor I will start to gain speed... all the while EGT's never exceed 1175..... anyway I thought this post would help all who tow and are looking for a little more go without worrying about breaking any thing...
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Old 02-27-2005, 12:54 PM   #3
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I know I really like towing with my Evolution on the 80 hp setting. Not towing anywhere what you are but it is a big difference from when I use to tow my 5er with a 361 Ford 4 speed and with less fuel too.
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I just thought it was amazing as to how a few minor modifications could make such a big difference... what I wonder though is... Most of the rigs at this event were dodges, A few of them were putting down 4-600 hp and tq from 800-1000+.... if they have all that power can they still tow... Just wondering what is done to the Trannies to keep them attached after 1-2000 miles of yanking around 14-15000lbs. or even farther down the line ... say 30 to 50,000 miles later. (this is a question of curiosity not a flame or brand war)
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Since you asked about Dodges, mine (2nd generation Cummins HO/6-speed) is a mild towing rig. It's running the Edge EZ, Diesel Dynamics Stage 2 injectors, BHAF (big honking air filter) and Jardine 4" exhaust. With these mods, it makes 347 RWHP @ 2700 RPM and 762 lb-ft torque @ 2300 RPM - these are rear wheel numbers from a DynoJet 246C chassis dyno. Maximum pre-turbo EGT is about 1350 degF (1300 was stock), so I'll generally drive by the pyrometer on long grades to keep EGTs around the 1100-1200 degF range. If I want to go beyond my current horsepower level and tow, I'll have to upgrade the turbo.

The Cummins 47RE automatic transmission guys generally upgrade the trans (DTT, ATS, Goerend, SunCoast, BD, or others) before cranking the power up too much. The 48RE seems to hold up better than the 47RE did at higher power levels.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankenstien:
... Just wondering what is done to the Trannies to keep them attached after 1-2000 miles of yanking around 14-15000lbs. or even farther down the line ... say 30 to 50,000 miles later. (this is a question of curiosity not a flame or brand war) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
All it takes is anywhere from $2500 on up and you can have your auto take all the power you can give it. I have an aftermarket tranny that will handle 600+hp even though I am not up to 300hp ..........yet.
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Rusty,Tom,
Thanks for the responces, I know in the early days of building up the ponies in my truck I had issues with keeping the clutch engaged to the fly wheel, once I upgraded I have not had those issues. I know the ford Guys running slush boxes do have to spend a few bucks to upgrade to hold the ponies.ie Sun Coast BTS.. and you are right as long as you hold the exhasut temps in a reasonalble range I would not expect any problems from the power plant. Well I posted this so the fellows out there who have their new Diesel trucks would have an Idea as to what they may expect for a few dollars invested. I know when I first got my truck my original thoughts were, " This thing has plenty of power ...why would I need to do that stuff.." but as time went by you start to notice on some of those long hills... if I only had a little more power...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankenstien:
Rusty,Tom,
Thanks for the responces, I know in the early days of building up the ponies in my truck I had issues with keeping the clutch engaged to the fly wheel, once I upgraded I have not had those issues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, yeah....forgot to mention that. When I added the DD2 injectors to the other mods, the stock clutch slipped the same day - in 5th gear @ 1800 RPM running empty! I went to a South Bend Con OFE clutch to hold the torque. Heck, it's only money!

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"Heck, it's only money" Aint that the truth.... I went to a South Bend Kevlar/Ceramic... Been Very happy...
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My Ford has a Banks Stinger kit installed. IT was dyno'd at 357 RHP and 557 torque.
This has the gauge package and all power stuff is Banks. It is a shame that I paid $2500 for this stuff and the 05 Ford 6.0 does those numbers as box stock!
But the thing towed my 6 ton 5th wheel all over for five years and now totes an Lance 1130 just fine.
With 110,000 trouble free miles.
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p.s. Ain't them tiny in-line sixes that Cummins makes amazing?
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I remember the days of 1 cube to 1 pony was ...wow... BTW... also for an FYI, at this event there were a couple of new (05) trucks running stock, The new Dodge 600..put out 189hp/502 (6sp) A new ford put down 192/499 (auto)...
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