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Old 05-03-2015, 04:22 PM   #15
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Buy a dually now, or end up buying one later on after you try towing 14.5k without one.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:16 PM   #16
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But the F350 is onlu capable on paper and the extra Springs travel with 2 in higher blocks keeps the drive train on line.
So in my book it's no better due to overloading the main ply to attain the extra weight.
My calculations are right and here it is.
The 3/4 truck by itself is rated at 10000 lbs on paper.
The combined load for mine in order not to overheat the drive train is 23500 for 6.0L diesel.
My province specifications is do not overload the Rear and front tires. So I have my truck registration reduced under12000 lbs and the RV is registered for 14000 lbs due to 14000 lbs capacity axles.
My combined registration is just a bit under 26000 lbs. But my combined weight is way below at 23500. What my truck is capable of towing.
Today i drove on I95 north direction and was able to keep my average torque at 42%. My previous GM pulled the previous trailer at 85% torque all day and lasted 9 years with not one issue.
That's what determine the towing capacity of a truck. Actual numbers and not accounting and lawyer assomption.
But I still want to worn that the F350 SRW is not that much better then the F250. It's dangerous not to know the capacity of the truck once behind the wheel. Most new trucks rear springs are not right for 24 hr 5th wheel support due to overloading of the main ply. Here for commercial trick application we jave to add an extra ply to protect the main ply.
It adds 700 lbs on each side or 1400 lbs. Exactly what Ford should do to make a F350 better.
The trucks are made to sell and surely not to work. That also includes the Duellies that have smooth rides.
Just look at a 80's ton truck suspensions. We were able to load 10000 lbs in the box lke nothing after all the rear tires could hold over 12000 lbs.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:40 PM   #17
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Reading the posts, and having a 2014 Ram 2500, can tell you that there will be night and day between the 2500 and the 3500 trucks. Someone said it right that the transmissions are a lot of it. Also, the hauling or pin weight capacities are quite similar between the 2500 if you go single tires. Same load carrying capacities because of the tires. Would, considering your weight, go diesel, 3500, with duals. You will then get the Aisin trans which has a better gearing for towing heavy. Just my thoughts.
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:34 PM   #18
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We're seriously thinking of moving from a MH to a 5th wheel, and my macho friends say we need a 1-ton pickup (Dodge Ram 3500?) for a 5th wheel with ~14,500 GVW. I thought a Dodge 2500, which is rated for 25,000 towing weight would be sufficient? What am I missing? Thanks - I know there's tons of experts out there!
Your friends make a good point if the trailer has a 14500 gvw dry weight. Actual weight could be closer to 16k+ lbs. If thats the case a DRW would be a better choice.

A truck pulling a trailer has two weights of concern.
One is load carrying ability which is determined by the trucks axle/tire load rating. A 2500 truck is limited to around 2500-3200 lb depending on its configuration ie; crew cab long bed 4x4 trucks are heavy and eat up load carrying abilities. The 2500 RAM has three RAWR at 6000-/6200 and 6500 depending on vehicle selections (cab/4wd/etc).

The other is how much the truck can pull or tow ratings. As was mentioned some certain configured 2500 Rams have a 17000 lb tow rating. Sure the 2500 will pull a 17k trailer with ease.

Now a 3500 RAM comes in a DRW and a SRW. IMO a DRW isn't needed if the right 3500 SRW is chosen for a 14500 GVW trailer that may only weigh 13k-13.5k.... depending on its CCC.

Some of the 3500 SRW Rams have a 12300 GVWR with 7000 RAWR and up to 4500 lb payloads all depending on the right selections.

Or the 3500 DRW has those huge 9750 RAWR/4 tires that can carry 6k-7k depending on selections.

You mention engine size for a 14500 GVW trailer. The HD Ram has the 6.4 Hemi/4.10 gears or the Cummins.
Again if the 14500gvw is a dry weight then the Cummins would be the only choice.
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With only two to three hundred dollars difference between the two, I can't help but wonder what the one ton has that the three quarter doesn't.
Heavier duty suspension to carry the weight of a bigger trailer. For the most part.
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We're seriously thinking of moving from a MH to a 5th wheel, and my macho friends say we need a 1-ton pickup (Dodge Ram 3500?) for a 5th wheel with ~14,500 GVW. I thought a Dodge 2500, which is rated for 25,000 towing weight would be sufficient? What am I missing? Thanks - I know there's tons of experts out there!
Keep in mind that the published numbers are usually 2wd standard cabs with no options. If you get a crew cab, diesel, 4x4, leather/power seats, etc. suddenly you are towing in a lot less. Listen to the macho men... they are wise.
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Keep in mind that the published numbers are usually 2wd standard cabs with no options. If you get a crew cab, diesel, 4x4, leather/power seats, etc. suddenly you are towing in a lot less. Listen to the macho men... they are wise.
Did anyone review the "Ram Body Builders Guide" that I provided or are you just going from the seat of the pants and what other old timers have always stated???

The 2015 and up tow a lot more than the older Ram/Dodge trucks have done in the past. Some of the reasons are frame design/material and the changes made to the powertrain. With the diesel trucks between the 3500/2500 they use the same 68RFE transmission with the Aisin being an option on the 3500 along with the manual transmission on both.

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I have a Ram 3500 SRW Diesel, towing a 10K bumper pull. Works just fine, but for a 14,500 5er, I'd have a dually.
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14500 5er is in 250/2500 ball park. Way ahead with a diesel. But if a gas is chosen I am ready to say that his weight will be way under the GVW.
We diesel owners tend to load heavy without thinking. I carry 2/3 tank of water when traveling with the F250.
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A 14,500#GVWR 5er will give you a pin weight between 2500 and 3000#, A new Ram 3500 SWR 4x4 extended or crewcab diesel will weighin around 8500#, now you have to add everything that you carry, people, kids, tools, camping gear 150 to 200# for hitch and you are over your GVWR or your rear GAWR. This is why people are saying to get a dually. Pulling the weight is not the problem, carrying the weight and staying within the manufacturers numbers is the problem. The choice is yours, if you don't believe what I am saying, just head to the local CAT scales and then tell me your numbers.
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I towed my current 17,500 lb 5th wheel with my 2014 Ram 2500 with airbags, and it was not ideal. Yes it would pull it just fine, but the the tires and wheels were really the limiting factor, besides the legalities. The 68 rfe Trans would overheat in the western mountains and grades. Stop and go traffic it would see Trans Temps of over 220 deg F.

The truck was maxed out. It wasn't good for the longevity of the truck.
Buy more truck than you need, and you will be happy you did. Why buy a truck that is , or is very close to being overloaded?
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Did anyone review the "Ram Body Builders Guide" that I provided or are you just going from the seat of the pants and what other old timers have always stated???

My point was that in the race for the big 3 to put up the biggest numbers, they advertise what a stripped standard cab can do while showing you images of the delux crew cab, which is misleading. The average person will NOT look at any towing guide or anything else beyond the marketing brochure.

When in doubt or even if it's close, go with the higher capacity for margin.
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I towed my current 17,500 lb 5th wheel with my 2014 Ram 2500 with airbags, and it was not ideal. Yes it would pull it just fine, but the the tires and wheels were really the limiting factor, besides the legalities. The 68 rfe Trans would overheat in the western mountains and grades. Stop and go traffic it would see Trans Temps of over 220 deg F.

The truck was maxed out. It wasn't good for the longevity of the truck.
Buy more truck than you need, and you will be happy you did. Why buy a truck that is , or is very close to being overloaded?
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You never hear someone complain they wish their truck had less load capacity.....or less power......or less cooling.......or less safety margin......or smaller brakes.....or lower tow rating.....or........ (I think you get the idea)
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Thanks everyone - we found a beautifully maintained 2010 Dodge Ram 3500 dually, and we're now set to tow just about anything out there! Unbelievably, we've even been getting 17-18 mpg the last 2 days!
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