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Old 01-27-2013, 01:58 PM   #1
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Explorer/Mountaineer towing

So lets assume that properly equipped, a Mountaineer can pull 7500lbs. What is a safe length? There are plenty of trailers under 5000lbs dry, but they all seem to be pretty long, at least for the bunkhouses we've seen. (I'm helping a friend do some research)

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Old 01-27-2013, 07:28 PM   #2
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back in the early 90's, I towed a 27 ft dutchman with a S-10 V6 blazer. I never had a problem but I knew I had a load behind me.
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We have a 2009 Explorer 4.0L, 4x4, towing package it is rated at 5400 lbs I believe. We traded our pop up in for a Trail Lite 7270s. A 27' bunk house that dry weighed about 4120 lbs. I know we were close to the max with the setup and were mindful of what we packed. With the standard wd and sway control it was a white knuckle drive. We towed twice before we bought a Hensley hitch which helped dramatically. I was however still not confident in the Explorers ability to hold that TT still so we ended up Buying a new Silverado crew cab. In other words I don't find the Explorer to be adequate for large TT as there is too much surface area for wind to push against.
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Personally, I would keep a trailer down to about 24 to 25' max length with an Exploder...or the twin Mutineer.

There is just not enough truck and suspension to handle anything larger.

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Old 01-29-2013, 08:32 PM   #5
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So lets assume that properly equipped, a Mountaineer can pull 7500lbs.
Bad assumption. You didn't give a model year, so I'll pick 2010. 2010 Explorer/Mountaineer factory tow ratings depend on engine, drivetrain (4x2, 4x4, or AWD), axle ratio (3.55 or 3.73), with or without auxiliary AC, and hitch (Class II or Class III/IV).

If "properly equipped" means 4.0L engine with 3.73 axle ratio, and class III/IV hitch, then the GCWR is 10,000 pounds and the "tow rating" varies from 5,000 to 5,375. (Deduct 500 pounds if it has rear AC). With V8 engine and 4x4 or AWD, the GCWR is 12,000 pounds, and the tow rating goes up to a hair over 7,000 pounds (7,040 or 7,115). And again, deduct 500 pounds if it has rear AC. So nowhere near 7,500.

But tow rating is misleading. It assumes absolutely nothing is in the SUV expect a skinny driver. No passengers, pets, tools, spares, luggage, nothing.

To get a better estimate of the real world tow rating, you need the weight of the wet and loaded SUV, including driver, passengers, pets, tools, spares, luggage, everything that might be in the SUV when towing. For the 4.0L engine, subtract the weight of the wet and loaded SUV from 10,000 pounds, and the answer is the max trailer weight you can tow without exceeding the GCWR of the SUV. For the V8 engine, subtract the weight of the wet and loaded SUV from 12,000 pounds, and the answer is the max trailer weight you can tow without exceeding the GCWR of the SUV.

So that tells you how much the SUV will pull without exceeding the GCWR. But no mention yet of how much hitch weight you can haul. Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded SUV from the GVWR of the SUV and the answer is the max hitch weight you can have without being overloaded. Hitch weight is usually the limiter for an SUV. Divide the max hitch weight you can have by 0.15, and the answer is the max weight of any TT you can tow without being overloaded. Guaranteed, it's a lot less than 7,000 pounds.
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I towed a 25' roo hybrid bunkhouse for a couple of years with a 2005 v8 tow pkg ford explorer.
I never felt confident in the combo. Too small and too light of a tv imo.
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Explorer/Mountaineer towing - suicidal. Get good life insurance.
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Explorer/Mountaineer towing - suicidal. Get good life insurance.
It all depends on the driver. One can drive with overload and be safe and an other will be an accident waiting to happen. Load info for me are limits put on by manufacture to protect the powertrain for the bumest drivers.
Any TV can pull a freight train if done properly.
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Explorer/Mountaineer towing - suicidal. Get good life insurance.
Thanks for your over dramatic worthless input Wandering1. Next time try to add to the conversation, not detract from it.

For the rest of you that have responded, thank you so very much for your input. My friend is planning to either go with a short/light trailer that is suitable for their TV, or wait until they can get a truck with higher tow rating.
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David's RV Tips is one reference that contains the formula/chart for how long a trailer should be according to the wheelbase of the tow vehicle. The length from rear axle to trailer ball has a large impact on towing safety.
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Thanks, Ray. I've seen it and it is super helpful. I think for me what put my mind at ease before I bought mine, at test pull. I had the dealership install a brake controller even though I hadn't purchased a camper yet. Then I asked them to let me pull a camper about the same size as the one I was planning to buy.

Took it out on the highway about 10 miles or so on a windy day.
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