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Old 03-03-2014, 09:29 PM   #15
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Yes, tongue weight is always the same. However, the wd hitch will shift some the weight on the rear axle to the front axle. So does that not reduce what you compare with the manufacturer spec.

The most significant post here says that the way the unit handles is the really most significant issue. With this in mind, the wd hitch and the econ boost 150 would do an excellent job. We have parked during the summer next to a camper with a rig similar to your proposal and he loves it. As for the larger breaks and ... in the 250, you will have brakes on the trailer, and you tow for few hours, so you will be satisfied with you choice.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:43 PM   #16
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if you believe Ford's ratings and given the way you say you will be using the trailer, the 150 you have mentioned will do the job .... only you can determine if it will do so to your satisfaction .... folks who are concerned with tongue may wish to make sure they understand the difference in the tongue weight of a trailer being bumper towed without a weight distribution hitch .... since most travel trailers are towed using a load leveling/weight distribution hitch, the raw tongue weight number (even when accurate) doesn't really apply
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Disagree. Where did you dig up that misinformation? Tongue weight is tongue weight, regardless of the type of hitch you have. If you have 1,200 pounds of tongue weight, then there will be 1,200 pounds on the ball and on the receiver. The WD hitch then distributes that 1,200 pounds to the various axles of the rig, but it does not reduce the tongue weight.
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I'm going to agree with both of you since you both posted some correct info.
Hear me out, I'll preface it with this:
I know this is not the correct usage of a WD hitch.

1 You can on a WD hitch that is strong enough, or Tow vehicle/trailer light enough adjust one to the point where you can remove the back Tires &wheels from the tow vehicle. The whole mess will sit there in the air with anything of the TV touching the ground except the front tires. When at this situation you certainly will have no downward weight on the hitch ball. The missing tongue weight AND the unloaded rear axle weight of the TV has been spread between the trailer axles and front tires of the TV.
I can say this because there are pics of this years ago with early 70s FWD Tornado as the tow vehicle. this pic is a add for some of the first widely used WD hitches.

2 Now in normal and accepted use the WD hitch is adjusted so that is has less weight on the ball. However some of the weight you just removed is applied in a different direction on the hitch itself. But not 100% because some of that missing weight goes back to the trailer axles.
This is true because #1 has proven it so.

Nothing in my post means I think its OK to go over The weight Ford says is Max for their vehicles or individual axles.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:43 PM   #17
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Yes, tongue weight is always the same. However, the wd hitch will shift some the weight on the rear axle to the front axle. So does that not reduce what you compare with the manufacturer spec.
Nope. Been there, done that... Argument. And the bottom line is, I was wrong. For that reason I updated my conventional towing weight calculator.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:10 PM   #18
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Same hitch on either the HD or Maxtow. So the receiver rating will come into play with either. Only advantage to the HD is if you want to put more stuff in the truck.
Exactly right, which is why the HD is important with heavy hitches approaching the 1150 max on the Receiver. Without the HD, you may only have a few hundred pounds for other people, pets and anything you might load in the bed, especially with a 1K tongue. BTW, Torklift makes a 1500, 15,500 companion hitch for the 150. Only can be installed with the 10,500 hitch and not the 11,500. According to Torklift, not enough 1150's to justify. Not sure I agree or that any F150 with the lower rated hitch would be capable of handling a 1500 tongue load. Perhaps a standard cab 8 ft. bed but nothing less than Max Tow/HD payload otherwise.
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Really like the Open Range LT274RLS trailer. Has GVWR of of 8800lbs and a dry hitch weight of 720lbs.
Truck shopping as well....
Have been looking at the F150 Ecoboost 4x4 CCSB with the HD towing option.
Should I be also looking to get the HD payload package as well?
It would seem that it could handle this trailer. Thoughts?
We are not full timers and only camp a few weekends in the warm months and take two week long trips during the summer. There is only two of us and a dog at this point.
The truck would serve as a daily driver to work every single day.
It seems for the same money as the Ecoboost I can get an F250 6.2 XLT CCSB but not sure I want that as a daily driver.....
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We started shopping for a similar sized TT a few months back, with the intent to pull it with a 150. After reading a lot, here and other places, started considering a 250. My conclusion after much thought, and doing price comparisons of a max optioned tow capacity 150 vs a 250 XLT CCSB was that the small price increase for the 250 was the way for us to go. Bonus for us, is that if we stumble across a really hot deal on a slightly bigger/heavier TT, we'll have the truck that can pull it.

I'll admit to also being a bit biased against the EcoBoost technology, but I'm just old fashioned! LOL. Unlike you, our truck will mostly just be a trailer puller and second vehicle. Since we're both now retired, no daily driver needed for a working commute.

No doubt a 250 6.2 gasser will get better mileage than our current truck, a 98 F-150 XLT SC with 200K miles. That poor old thing is tired! YMMV!

Good luck and happy camping!

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As the original poster of this thread...
Thanks for the input. As some have mentioned it is hard to find an EB F150 with the HD tow and payload package. Need to order it from my conversations with dealers. They found only one in production but it was already spoken for. What I found is with the Ford X-plan I can get an F250 Lariat 4x4 6.2 CCSB for about the same money as a loaded F150 EB with what I would want/need for it. I think I am going to go the F250 6.2 route.
This way I don't need to worry. From this forum and some other truck forums it appears the 6.2 is a great power plant...a bit thirsty but very little issues.
Dealer has a few 2013 6.7 diesels left over but unless I can get it for the price of the 6.2 I would pass.
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Yes, tongue weight is always the same. However, the wd hitch will shift some the weight on the rear axle to the front axle. So does that not reduce what you compare with the manufacturer spec.
Manufacturer spec for GVWR and GAWR on the tow vehicle, yes. But manufacturer spec for the receiver hitch, no. The tongue weight is still there on the receiver, but it gets distributed off the rear axle. And the manufacturer's spec for GCWR, no - the gross weight of the rig didn't change, that weight was just redistributed to different axles of the rig

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1 You can on a WD hitch that is strong enough, or Tow vehicle/trailer light enough adjust one to the point where you can remove the back Tires &wheels from the tow vehicle. The whole mess will sit there in the air with anything of the TV touching the ground except the front tires. When at this situation you certainly will have no downward weight on the hitch ball. The missing tongue weight AND the unloaded rear axle weight of the TV has been spread between the trailer axles and front tires of the TV.
The tongue weight the receiver has to support didn't change. Instead of pushing down on the receiver, it's pushing up on the receiver. But the weight is still there for the receiver to handle.

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I can say this because there are pics of this years ago with early 70s FWD Tornado as the tow vehicle. this pic is a add for some of the first widely used WD hitches.
Those pics do not change the law of physics. The receiver on that Tornado still had to handle the tongue weight. And the receiver also has to handle the gross weight of the trailer. And those ads did the intended job of showing that the WD hitch actually distributed the weight off the rear axle and onto the other axles of the rig. An extreme example of weight distributing, but it got the point across. Just don't misinterpret what you are seeing.

They didn't need to use a front-wheel-drive tow vehicle to show that effect. Bit it was easier than trying to get the same dramatic effect as they could get with a pickup. I can easily reduce they rear axle traction on my F-150 to near zero by too much pressure on my torsion bars. But that doesn't mean the stress on the receiver is somehow reduced.
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Thanks for the input. As some have mentioned it is hard to find an EB F150 with the HD tow and payload package. Need to order it from my conversations with dealers. They found only one in production but it was already spoken for. What I found is with the Ford X-plan I can get an F250 Lariat 4x4 6.2 CCSB for about the same money as a loaded F150 EB with what I would want/need for it. I think I am going to go the F250 6.2 route.
This way I don't need to worry. From this forum and some other truck forums it appears the 6.2 is a great power plant...a bit thirsty but very little issues.
Dealer has a few 2013 6.7 diesels left over but unless I can get it for the price of the 6.2 I would pass.
Good decision. I was in the same boat sorta. I looked at F150 HD payloads on Fords build and price site. I was only looking at XL's though. What I found was for the same price as an 2012 HD F150 XL 2wd Scab with the upgrades and the 3.5, I could get a 12 Ram 2500 ST CC LB 4x4 6.7 CTD. The Ram was discounted $10,000 to be fair, but I wasn't sure I would be able to get a discount at the time on an ordered truck form Ford.
But you're right you can get an F250 6.2 for close to an F150 HD.
I would offer $10-12,000 off MSRP for a left over diesel and see what they would do. I see no reason why they wouldn't bite.
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Or get a 1-2 year old, low mileage diesel for 50% off new msrp in the low 30s. And still enjoy the same fuel economy as the ecoboost. LOL
Rest assured, the price of the used diesel won't drop much for the next 100,000 miles, so if you decide to sell it, your loss will be minimal, especially compared to a new F150.
I like my truck (2012 Ram 2500 6.7) and have driven all the current offerings both new and used. There are few vehicles I would buy new, but a pickup is not one of them. The market is flooded with good, used ones that are realistically priced.
Find a diesel with 30k miles and never look back.
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As the original poster I wanted to provide an update. Ended up going with a 2014 Ram 2500 Laramie CCSB 4x4 with the 6.7 CTD
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As the original poster I wanted to provide an update. Ended up going with a 2014 Ram 2500 Laramie CCSB 4x4 with the 6.7 CTD
Good for you! The F-150 without the HD Payload Pkg was just not quite enough truck for that trailer. The 2500 should be a good match for that trailer. Enjoy!
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As the original poster I wanted to provide an update. Ended up going with a 2014 Ram 2500 Laramie CCSB 4x4 with the 6.7 CTD
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