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Old 07-11-2012, 10:00 AM   #1
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F150 vs GM1500 vs Tundra vs Titan

I now have a Casita towed by a Toyota 4-Runner and am looking to move up to a bigger TT; something in the 6000-7000# range. So I will have to get a bigger TV. I want a crew cab, half-ton pickup and am considering the above mentioned trucks. I admit I am biased towards the Toyota and Nissan brands as I have had very good service over the years with them. I have not had very good experiences, service-wise with Ford, Chevy, or Dodge pickups at work (I'm a forester). But, I will keep an open mind. We will be retiring soon and will be traveling a lot more with a TT; much of the time in mountains and much of the time on 3000-5000 mile trips. I will also be using the truck for daily commutes. Naturally, better gas mileage is a plus, and I'm looking for a gasser. My query is how well the various trucks hold up service-wise under towing conditions; mileage while towing and not; which has better towing capability. I know I will have to match the TT's weight, length, etc. with the trucks' towing capacity; I'm just trying to get ideas on which brands to go after.

It seems that in my travels and in reading this and other forums, that Fords are in abundance as TV's; is that a valid assumption and if so why? I'm very intrigued with the F150 Ecoboost.

Thanks for any light on this topic.

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Old 07-11-2012, 04:54 PM   #2
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Respectfully, my opinion... get a bigger truck; 3/4 ton at least.

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Old 07-12-2012, 09:24 AM   #3
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You are gonna get a lot of the "3/4 ton diesels are the smallest to tow with" type of response. And if MPG is really important you should think about using a diesel.
Now to me all of the current 1/2ton offering are really 3/4 ton trucks as they are so much more capable to handle heavier loads.
I have driven THe big three's truck as late as 2010. I owned a 2008 Hemi charger with the MDS and it gives Great MPG for the power output.
Me, I'd rate them like this
first choice Ford : Eccoboost engine, quiet steel firewall, highest tow rating.
2nd Ram (dodge) : Coil springs on rear axle, good MPG with Hemi MDS engine
3rd all the rest.
I think the only downside is that as the trucks grew over the years so did the engine Horsepower level.
Many of the mid level engine offering now have all the torque and more HP than the old 454s and 460s. At high loads and highway speeds you are looking at the same MPG as the old big blocks.
I have a good friend with a nice 2008 F15 with the later 300?HP 5.4L engine.
he was toing his wrangler on a trailer. I was towing MY Wrangler on my trailer with my F700 with a 5.9L Cummins diesel.
WE both headed west to colorado. I got 10MPG running 65Mph with a total load of about 20K. WE left a day apart. I called him and asked about how he was doing.
His response was 7MPG and he didn't know why. I asked his speed and he said 80MPH!!!!
This is just slighlt better than what MPG I would expect out of the older big block trucks from years gone by.
My thoughts on the Toyotas nad Nissians are that while they will do what the others will, I do not think they willl last as long as when stressed to the same level.
My how I wish The big three would go ahead and put some smaller diesels in the Smaller trucks.
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A guy I ATV with picked up a Ford eco boost and pulls 6k with it (TT). He said it pulls nice. He does take a MPG hit while towing but gets better while not towing.
For DD what are you looking at for miles each way? Reason being the 3-5k trips you might begin to wonder about a 150 and the eco boost in hills (run out of torque, got rid of my v-10 for that reason) might not be a good choice (yet/ever? Time will tell), but I sort of cringe at using my diesel for a 24 mile round trip, I let it warm for a couple minutes and it is highway not stop and go. If it is good miles I might look at a 250 diesel, if that is an option, again if you are talking TT 3-5k miles in the near future. I do not know for a newer one but 2011 you could get a 3.31 axle ratio that should get better MPG (~20), and still keep the tow rating.
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you could ask 1000 people this question and get 2000 different answers. I've attached a link for tow capacities. As you can see there are so many different models that give you different tow capacities. Hope it helps. I have a F350 power stroke but my 5er is 38'....
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This looks like fertile ground for a brand war (not allowed by iRV2's Community Rules, by the way), but I'm not even going to go anywhere near that subject. I would only urge you to check out the GVWR, GCWR and GAWR ratings on the tow vehicles you're considering, keeping in mind that the manufacturer's brochure payload (hitch weight) and trailer towing capacities are notoriously overstated since they're calculated using a base model truck (no options or accessories) with only a 150 lb driver. Depending on how many passengers you'll be carrying, cargo in the bed, accessories and options, etc., your actual laden curb weight could be 800-1000 lbs greater than that used by the manufacturer in his calculations, and every additional pound your truck weighs over the manufacturer's curb weight should be deducted from the manufacturer's payload and trailer tow ratings.

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what ever type of truck you do get make sure you get one that has a towing package,those type of truck always have better gearing and extra transmission oil cooler, research research research ,good luck on your truck purchase,and make sure you get a wd hitch that has sway control.
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I bought a 2011 F-150 but I didn't get the Eco-boost... I got the new 5.0 and I get very close to the same unloaded mileage as the turbo V-6. It pulls my Surveyor SV-264 very easily at just above 6000#. The reason I went with Ford is my last company truck, an F-150... '02 model... 300,000 miles, at least 30,000 in 4X4 on mountain roads and in the desert... and it still has the original water pump and hoses on it. It has had 5 brake jobs, 2 tune-ups, an alternator, and 7 sets of tires. My foreman is still driving it... even though he could be driving a 2011 Expedition.
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schrederman, the Surveryor SV-264 is one of the models we are looking at; good to know that the F150 EB handles it well.
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I have a 2010 tundra 5.7 L double cab nice looking would it pull 6 to 7 thousand pounds yes, really well probably like any other 1/2 ton.

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