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Old 06-13-2013, 08:56 AM   #15
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That trucks the same as my 2010 I had.
No. Your 2010 did not have an EcoBoost engine. Handling should be similar regardless of engine, but the EcoBoost will feel much more powerful when dragging 7,300 pounds up grades than the 5.4L in earlier F-150s.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:39 AM   #16
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No. Your 2010 did not have an EcoBoost engine. Handling should be similar regardless of engine, but the EcoBoost will feel much more powerful when dragging 7,300 pounds up grades than the 5.4L in earlier F-150s.
True, the 5.4 is a dog. I guess I should of made my self more clear as I was implying that the F150's were the same in the handling dept. In reality as doggy as the 5.4 was, had it had the select shift AT that came out in the 2011 models it would've been better. The 09-10 wants to hunt for gears all day. Really annoying. Back to the handling part, even with the EQ hitch the truck only felt planted when in the corners. Out on the flats where the wind is more noticeable the truck and TT moved around a bit. When I jumped up to my current 2500 that moving around went away. If the OP is only towing short distances and just a few times a year then yes load it up with 7-8000lbs. IMO I didn't like dragging that much around for the 4000+ miles a year like we did. JMO but 7-8000lbs+ is 3/4 ton gas and 8000lbs+ is 3/4 ton diesel.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:06 AM   #17
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She's right, if she doesn't invest in a weight-distributing hitch. But with a WD hitch rated for 1,000 or 1,200 pounds max tongue weight, she can probably tow an 8,000 pound TT without being overloaded.
It'll have a WD/sway hitch for sure, but she was at 500/5000 with WD.

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That trucks the same as my 2010 I had. It had the same 7650gvw, maxtow, 3.73 etc. I towed a 7300lb 31' TT and sometimes it was fine and other times it was marginal. Moved up to a 3/4 ton and all was better. IMO I wouldn't tow anything more than 28' and 6500lbs loaded. FWIW I had a perfectly dialed in EQ hitch with 4 pt sway control. I also had E rated tires and SuperSprings on it.
When you say marginal, is that cause of the length or weight?


This is exactly what I was looking for; real world feedback, not all the "max" talk.
Keep it coming for me and everyone else.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:24 PM   #18
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It'll have a WD/sway hitch for sure, but she was at 500/5000 with WD.



When you say marginal, is that cause of the length or weight?


This is exactly what I was looking for; real world feedback, not all the "max" talk.
Keep it coming for me and everyone else.
As good as it was dialed in the truck never felt like it was totally in control of the trailer. I was maxed on the RAWR of 4050lbs @4000lbs. I had a canopy on it as well as bikes, gen, etc in the truck. So the truck weighed in near it's 7650lb GVW. Anytime you have a truck that's maxed out for load your going to have give and take between the two. That's why the Ram CTD which weighs more but also has a stiffer frame, suspension etc felt more in control. Funny thing is the Ram 2500 weighed the same as the F150 which had the extra items on it and felt more in control. I was never white knuckled or anything like that. The biggest factor and IMO it has to do with length of the TT and that is side winds. On the freeway any winds would move the TT around some, which is somewhat normal. But it also moves the truck. However when I got the new Ram 2500 I opted to not use the EQ and just went with the standard EAZ-lift and it towed as well. The Ram 2500 or any 3/4 ton is just superior to 1/2 tons. The only 1/2 ton close is the F150 with the HD package. I think it boils down to the fact that the truck was maxed out, the length of the TT and the fact that the TT weighed as much as the maxed out truck. My threshold may also be lower than some others. I like to be able to feel like the truck is doing it's job not just getting by. It's one thing to tow 100 miles each way 7-8 times a year. And if that's all I did then I would say the F150 was great. But we also towed 4000 miles a year and some days on the road for 350+ miles and 6-7 hrs. That's when you realize that the truck is maxed out. Some of the issues were the lack of power and the POS 6sp tranny in the 09-10's. But those aside the handling was just okay at best. Floaty would be the word to describe it. And that's with a 1200lb EQ, Supersprings, and E rated tires at 50psi.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:40 AM   #19
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All the 3/4 comparisons are meaningless as its a completely different price point vehicle and loaded with its own compromises like ride quality unladen, turning radius, cost to maintain, ingress/ egress.....

I'm involved in a lot of forums- boat, sprinter, RV,trucks, and there are always the guys that feel they need a 3/4 ton truck to tow a coleman pop up.

Yes a 3/4 ton truck will tow better than a 1/2 ton.
A 1 ton will tow better than a 3/4 ton
A Perterbuilt will tow better than a 1 ton

A 1/2 ton is a better all around vehicle that all of the above BY FAR serving excellent double duty as a people hauler. WHEN USED WITHIN ITS DESIGN SCOPE.

I can tell you the f150 ecoboost with 3:73's and the max tow package is a fine tow vehicle within its limits with no issues towing up to 10K. At 10K its a thirsty machine in the hills, but superb for what it is.

Within its limits - It's fine, great actually compared to a 10 year old 3/4 gasser. It feels fine, it brakes fine. Its stable, and workable.

Have anyone of us done more testing than Ford/GM/Dodge/ Toyota?

At 8K and up towing a TT you need a weight dist hitch with a half ton period.

Ive been towing between 5 and 9500 with a half ton NA gasser (nissan titan) since 04 and it can get it done in the hills and altitudes - and the EB is way better that it.

It's not the right tool for every job, but if your use is within its limits its the best the market has to offer.

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Old 06-20-2013, 10:13 AM   #20
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Uncle Dave, go tow with a 3/4 ton and then tell us what you think of 1/2 tons towing 10,000lbs.
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Uncle Dave, go tow with a 3/4 ton and then tell us what you think of 1/2 tons towing 10,000lbs.
I do it all the time.

at 10K the 3/4 ton tows better- but no so much better I'd run out and spend another 20K to tow my toy hauler to the sand dunes 4-5 times a year.

The shop I keep my stuff at has an 08 Dmax I've put 10K miles on in the past 3 years.

Between 3/4 and that 1/2 ton EB what would you rather drive without a load?


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I agree with most of that, but i probably wouldn't be comfortable towing at 10k lbs with an F150. Maybe around 7000lbs max when you consider worst case scenarios for idiots driving in front of you. You have to be able to stop and control the load in a decent manner. You have to assume some really bad crosswinds, and factor in stability. Ecoboost is not short on power for sure, i wish they would offer it on the expedition.

I think peoples perspective of "1/2" ton and "3/4" ton need to change a little with the times. A 99 ford F250 had a curb weight of about 6000lbs, while a 2011 supercab F150 has a curb weight of about 5500lbs. Trucks in lower classifications are worlds apart more capable than yesterdays trucks, the standards will eventually need to move up with technology.
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Standardized tow testing will put an end to the falderal that is maximum claimed towing weight.

7K isnt the same for a boat as it is for a travel trailer because of wind loading and tongue weight.


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Well I drive a 3/4 ton CTD and get close to the mpg the maxtow EB 3.5 gets. Right now I'm enjoying the fact that diesel is real close in price to reg where I live. I had a 2010 F150 before the 12 Ram 2500. I much prefer the solid feel of a 3/4 ton empty or towing. I would never tow more than 7000lbs with any non HD 1/2 ton. I have towed the same 7300lb TT with both the Maxtow F150 and the 2500 Ram. Even taking power out of the equation the 3/4 ton just controls the TT better. I would never tow 10,000lbs on a regular basis with a 1/2 ton. In fact I wouldn't even do it for 50 miles. I live in Oregon and it's hills, mtns and curves. I don't want to get into a panic mode with 10,000lbs hanging off the rear of a 1/2 ton. Yes the 3.5 EB has the grunt to do it and in Maxtow with 3.73's gets maybe 1-2 mpg better on the hwy empty. But towing lb for lb the 3/4 ton diesel will get better mpg and do it safer and easier.

I think guys are really fooling themselves when it comes to towing. Yes a standardized tow rating would be great. Probably won't happen for a couple more years if that. Too many get tricked into thinking that 10-11,000lb tow rating makes their truck better. I see more guys upgrading more than downgrading. How often do you read about a guy that just bought a new 7000lb TT and has a 3/4 ton gas or diesel and goes out and trades for a 1/2 ton? It's usually the other way around as most people buy the biggest TT they can thinking that the infamous tow rating that came with their truck is plenty. Then they find out that it's not all that rosy out in the wind, mixing it up with semi's or climbing hills and mtns all day long. The only guys that are satisfied with towing near max are the ones that only tow a couple times a year and no more than 40-50 miles one way. For those that put 3-4000 miles towing heavier TT/5'ers they know the benefit of having a 3/4 ton or even a 1 ton. It's not really a gotta have a 3/4-1 ton to tow a pop up thing. It's about being in a comfortable mode when towing and not worrying about how strong the winds will be or how steep the decline is on the other side of the mtn.

Another interesting thing is how many guys come on these forums with 3/4-1 ton trucks and complain that their setup just doesn't feel right. It's usually the 1/2 ton truck or SUV crowd that's got the Wd setup problems. It's because they have fallen into the 11,000 tow rating fallacy. Like I said before I wouldn't go over 6000lbs loaded with any 1/2 ton except for the F150 with the HD payload package.
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I have towed heavy with 1/4 ton Ranger, 1/2 and 3/4 ton Gm and the present F250.
Had the best brakes with the Ranger and 5600 lbs 5th. It towed well and drove like a Caddy while towing and mpg while towng was bearly 12 mpg. Had to shift in 3rd and did every hill as well and faster then semis. But one day I did an emergency stop and realized the rear tires turned on the rims. 35 psi air pressure was not enough.
So I used a 1/2 ton diesel to tow the same trailer. The ride was great but the rear felt loose and light and shocks did not prevent the rear hit bottom on some pot hole or lump in the highway. Mileage empty was same as Ranger but towing was 40% better. I had no speeds in the hills but I never had to shift.
Then we bought a 12k 5th wheel and had to go to a 2500 GM diesel. The truck was a bit solid empty but drove excellent loaded. Had to unhook the antilock brakes because i never felt safe stoping the tailer and had to watch that the front wheels did not lockup. Fuel mieage towing was 10 mpg and 20 not loaded. But power was exccellent with the 6.5l that everyone haited. It was a solid performer for nine years with only brake maintenance required.
Then bought the F250 because it was a great deal and GM's auto tranny started shifting different loaded.
The power felt great but could not stay on cruise in the hills like the GM so I installed a Hypertech programer and it solved the problem on level 1 and 2. The truck did very well but needed the one extra leaf plie on the rear springs to keep the towing comfort the GM had. Unloaded the F250 rides as well on the front and much better on the rear, even with extra springs. The truck feels heavier and has better mpg loaded or unloaded. I am very pleased with the performance and service of the Ford long wheel base.
Now we tow a 15k 5th and found that the ride was a bit stiffer with the new trailer with more pin weight. I added one more leaf plie to the spring pack and I have great ride and stability. I have found that the Fords are setup for ride compared to working and the previous owner was right to have added 2 extra plies on each side to make it a good riding truck loaded which it was 100% of the time. I would also tune the suspension on a heavier truck to suit the load, but all Ford superduties are the same and the 4 x 4 F250 srw sits lower then F350 srw and with 275 x 18 tires its more comfort then the dualies smaller tires. And the truck is no different to manuver then a 1/2 ton.
I have found that the 3/4 tons are no worst to drive then a 1/2 ton and my XL is as economical to drive as any 1/2 ton. Specialy the EB, once you pay for all the required options. Mine is farly stock with only A/C and seats. I added $700 in after market options and after 6 years its worth to me as much as I payed for it used.
I always say that i would buy a used diesel before buying a new gas truck. But for someone just using a truck for short trips the gasser iis more practical and be it a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton its a wash, and truly a 3/4 would be as economical to buy but a bit heavier unloaded. But diesel heavier truck has the edge.
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