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Old 12-06-2017, 09:31 PM   #1
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F250 - Configure to Max Capability

I plan to purchase or order an F250. Crew Cab 6.75ft bed. For sure, the F250 will have the 6.7L Power Stroke.

My goal is to purchase an F250 that is the most capable for towing a heavy 5th wheel trailer. Beyond getting the engine, I'm struggling to understand the various tow packages and camper packages, etc and what they add to truck's capability. The descriptions of the packages in the configuration tool don't exactly say: "this will give you max towing numbers".

The Ford towing literature states that the max 5th wheel towing weight for the F250 equipped with the 6.7L turbo diesel is about 14,500-15,000.

We haven't decided on an RV but I want to have the flexibility to purchase a 5th wheel that gets right up to the max ability of the F250.

So which packages get the truck to the Ford advertised numbers?

Camper package adds Heavy-service front springs, rear auxiliary spring and Rear stabilizer bar.

The heavy front suspension package states: "Heavy-service front springs"

And then there's the Trailer Tow Package - High Capacity. Increase GCW on diesel engine from 23,500 lbs. to 25,700 lbs. You're getting 2,200 more lbs of something. This the most costly package, o I'd like to understand it better.

So, maybe I only have one simple question - can the F250 with 6.7L power stroke tow 14,500 in just the base Xl trim without any fancy add-on packages or does it require certain packages to bring it up to it's full potential?
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Your Xl and XLT trim options will yield higher payload capacity as they are not weighed down with all the bling that the King Ranch and higher trim lines carry. All those trim levels add a bit of weight the must be taken off the payload. I would go to a good Ford dealer that carries more trucks than most and discuss with them and have them go through the charts to help you configure what you need. The CrewCab will haul less than the traditional two door configuration.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:35 PM   #3
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You want an F-350. No difference as far as size or ride but has extra suspension in the rear for more payload. You also want the factory 5th wheel prep package that has the puck system already installed and has the electrical connections in the bed.

The 5th wheel you are wanting to haul is more than I would tow with an F-250 and is pretty close to duelly territory. It will have a pin weight of 3200 pounds give or take and it is pretty rare to find a 250 that carries more than 2800.

If it were me I would want a duelly for that weight but a single rear wheel 350 will handle it. Anything over 16,000 is solidly duel rear wheel time.
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If you get an F250 you'll have to add airbags for that heavy of pin weight. Instead use that bag money to get an F350. IMO for 15,000 lbs it's dually territory.
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The Trailer Tow Package will gain you the most
MAX Front Springs
Upgraded Rear Axle (7000# vs 6340#)
Increased GCVWR due to the increase in rear axle rating

Add on the Camper Package
Rear Stabilizer Bar
Rear Axillary Springs

The two packages are equal to the F350 SRW suspension packages

The GVWR remains at 10,000# (all F250s)

But with the increased RAWR and GCVWR you can tow a 15K GVWR 5th wheel
You WILL be OVER trucks GVWR and Payload rating (Payload is based on GVWR which is a warranty/registration issue....nothing more)
You will NOT be OVER RAWR or GCVWR which are the 'legal' concerns
Just make sure you get highest max load rated tires (should exceed RAWR)
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Sooooooo a F-350?
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Sooooooo a F-350?
And a dually for that weight
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:04 AM   #8
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4x4 reduces.
diesel reduces.
deluxe trim reduces.

best is "XL" or "XLT" with slide in AND tow packages... most carry and same tow.
my "XL" has both packages.. and can carry 3,600 and tow 5th wheel of 12,500.... but I have a Gas 6.2L...

but being NEAR MAX.. what about YOU, Family, cargo, food, water, batteries, propane, Fuel for truck.. YES none of this is counted.. in truck or trailer..

and most of all.. almost no trailer is at the STATED weight... plan on 300 to 500 more pounds...

my coachman is 800 pounds over both stated Tags... EMPTY.....

my opinion.. you want a 350/3500 class Dually truck... for that size of trailer..
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I plan to purchase or order an F250. Crew Cab 6.75ft bed. For sure, the F250 will have the 6.7L Power Stroke.

My goal is to purchase an F250 that is the most capable for towing a heavy 5th wheel trailer. Beyond getting the engine, I'm struggling to understand the various tow packages and camper packages, etc and what they add to truck's capability. The descriptions of the packages in the configuration tool don't exactly say: "this will give you max towing numbers".

The Ford towing literature states that the max 5th wheel towing weight for the F250 equipped with the 6.7L turbo diesel is about 14,500-15,000.

We haven't decided on an RV but I want to have the flexibility to purchase a 5th wheel that gets right up to the max ability of the F250.

So which packages get the truck to the Ford advertised numbers?

Camper package adds Heavy-service front springs, rear auxiliary spring and Rear stabilizer bar.

The heavy front suspension package states: "Heavy-service front springs"

And then there's the Trailer Tow Package - High Capacity. Increase GCW on diesel engine from 23,500 lbs. to 25,700 lbs. You're getting 2,200 more lbs of something. This the most costly package, o I'd like to understand it better.

So, maybe I only have one simple question - can the F250 with 6.7L power stroke tow 14,500 in just the base Xl trim without any fancy add-on packages or does it require certain packages to bring it up to it's full potential?
F250 won't cut it.
If you're planning for a 14k - 15k 5th wheel you need to account for 3000lbs pinweight + the weight of the driver and passengers + the weight of the 5th wheel hitch + all the other stuff you want to bring in the truck.
A diesel takes away from the payload capacity and a gas engine takes away from the towing capacity and GCWR, it's always a catch 22.
A maxed out F250 will cost as much as F350.
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The Ford towing literature states that the max 5th wheel towing weight for the F250 equipped with the 6.7L turbo diesel is about 14,500-15,000.
Ignore that tow rating. It's severely overstated, and even the real-world tow rating is not the limiter on a pickup with single rear wheels (SRW). Payload capacity is the limiter. Payload capacity = GVWR minus the wet and loaded weight of the tow vehicle (TV).

There is a payload capacity sticker in your driver's door frame, but it's overstated too. It assumes absolutely nothing in the truck. So you would need to determine the payload capacity available for hitch weight (kingpin or "pin" weight of a 5er). To do that, you need to weigh the wet and loaded TV, with everybody and everything that will be in it when towing, subtract that weight from the GVWR of the TV, and the answer is the payload capacity available for pin weight.

Divide that weight by 0.20, and the answer is the max GVWR of any 5er you want to buy.

But of course you cannot do that until after you own the truck and can load it up and take it to the scales. So you have to do some estimating.

Others have reported that their SuperDuty SRW weighed about 8,000 pounds empty, so with a family and stuff inside the TV, use 9,000 pounds as the estimated weight of the wet and loaded TV. GVWR of the F-250 is 10,000 pounds, so that leaves about 1,000 pounds as max pin weight without being overloaded, i.e., payload capacity available for pin weight

Divide 1,000 by 0.20 and the answer is a max 5er weight of 5,000 pounds. Only an itsy-bitsy teeny-tiny 5er will weigh less than 5,000 pounds, so that's why others have stated you need at least the F-350 SRW. Payload capacity available for pin weight increases about 1,500 pounds to about 2,500 pounds. 2,500 divided by 0.20 = 12,500 pounds. So if you can find a 5er floorplan that DW likes and that has GVWR of less than 12,500 pounds, then the F-350 SRW is your TV.

But if DW insists on a floorplan that has GVWR more than about 13,000 pounds, then your TV needs to have dual rear wheels (DRW). Sorry, Charlie, but that means an 8' bed in a Ford. F-350 DRW GVWR goes up to 14,000 pounds, with over 4,000 pounds payload capacity available for pin weight, that's a 5er with GVWR of 0ver 20,000 pounds, so now you can choose a very nice 5er with GVWR around 18,000 pounds without danger of being overloaded.

Granted, those are estimated numbers to use only to order the TV. After you get the TV, then you can install the 5er hitch, load it up with everybody and everything that will be in it when towing, fill up with gas, then weigh the wet and loaded TV (without a trailer). Then determine your actual payload capacity available for hitch weight, divide that by 20%, and you'll have a better estimate of the max GVWR of any 5er you want to buy.

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We haven't decided on an RV but I want to have the flexibility to purchase a 5th wheel that gets right up to the max ability of the F250.
Then you're going to be looking only at very small and light weight 5ers. Move up to at least the F-350 SRW and you can have your shorty bed and enough payload capacity to tow a decent-size small 5er without being overloaded.

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So which packages get the truck to the Ford advertised numbers?
I don't have a 2018 SuperDuty order guide, but based on the 2017 you need one of the suspension packages to get the 3.55 axle instead of the standard 3.31 in an SRW PSD pickup. My choice would be the camper pkg. That won't give you more tow rating or payload capacity, but common sense will tell you that the engine will have to work less with the slightly-shorter legs of the 3.55 axle.

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Camper package adds Heavy-service front springs, rear auxiliary spring and Rear stabilizer bar.
Yeah, there's nothing there that won't make a better tow vehicle.

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The heavy front suspension package states: "Heavy-service front springs".
Details in the order guide says you need that only of you plan to a add a heavy front end replacement or brush guard. And it's part of the camper pkg, so just order the camper pkg.

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And then there's the Trailer Tow Package - High Capacity. Increase GCW on diesel engine from 23,500 lbs. to 25,700 lbs. You're getting 2,200 more lbs of something. This the most costly package, o I'd like to understand it better.
That one is new for the 2018 model year, so I don't have any details on it. But the additional GCWR (and tow rating) is nonsense. You won't be able to tow a trailer that weighs anywhere near 23,500, much less more than 23,500 without exceeding the payload capacity of the F-250.

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So, maybe I only have one simple question - can the F250 with 6.7L power stroke tow 14,500 in just the base Xl trim without any fancy add-on packages or does it require certain packages to bring it up to it's full potential?
It might be able to tow a wagon-style trailer with no hitch weight without exceeding the payload capacity of the truck, provided you add absolutely no other weight in the truck. But a 5er? Absolutely not.

Unlike the F-150, the SuperDuty is built to tow heavy with only standard equipment. There are no options that increase payload capacity, and payload capacity is your limiter.

GCWR and tow rating tell you the max weight you can PULL, but ignores payload capacity. So you could probably pull a farmer's wagon-style grain trailer out of the field without being overloaded, but not a TT with 13% tongue weight or a 5er with 20% pin weight. So again, ignore GCWR and tow rating and concentrate on GVWR and actual payload capacity.
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Nice write up.


My thoughts are; if you are even thinking about towing a 5th wheel, and you are buying a new truck, get a 350 / 3500. There are lots of pros and almost no cons. Same tires, same footprint, same mileage. I drive a F250 as a daily driver (101K). It was purchased for my wife and was passed down to me as a work truck. Otherwise it would be a F350, even though it will never tow a 5th wheel.
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Thanx, guys. But I have 30 years experience translating engineering goobledegook into English that could be understood and followed by Air Force enlisted folks who have only high school educations. That was all before I retired and before Windows became the user interface of choice and the internet became popular. Then 24 years after that enjoying myself posting on towing websites such as this one.

Writing on a computer is no different than writing on a typewriter or with paper and pencil, except with a typewriter you don't have auto-correct of spelling. You still have to compose the words into something the intended reader can understand and apply.
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