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Old 02-10-2014, 10:28 AM   #15
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spritz,

When you said that you've thrown a lot of $$$$ at the problem exactly what did they replace and what did they check???

Re-read post #10. If we try to tell you what your problem is we are diagnosing with no actual knowledge. All we can do is suggest possible causes based on our experiences. Have it checked at a quality alignment shop. Ask that every part be analyzed/checked to determine if they are functioning according to their intended purpose. That's not a very difficult job provided they know what and how to do it.
1. Tires: Spin them slowly and check for run-out, wobble, tread flow and
ply shifting etc.
2. Wheel bearings
3. Spring shackles, look for cracked leafs.
4. All steering components, tie-rods, pitman arm, idler arm connecting
links.
5. Steering gear box
6. Any shock stabilizers attached to steering system and designed to
dampen steering movement.
7. Steering gear box flexible couplers.
8. Shocks: I don't believe that shocks would cause the DW but they might contribute to the reason why the suspension continues to oscillate once it starts.

I Also find it hard to believe that brakes will have anything to do with the DW. Yes they are part of the wheel(s) that are wobbling but they either work or they don't.

Just some things to think about.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:35 AM   #16
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The "Death Wobble" is usually associated with the solid front axle F53, F350, F450 series. The twin I-beam is not a problem that I have heard of.

I'd get the truck to an independent truck front end shop and forget Ford.

But, the first place I'd look is the steering stabilizer damper.

Ken
Ford recently sent a notice out to F350 4X4 owners. Ford indicated this is pretty common with the solid front axle and most often associated with improper inflation, balance and a weak stabilizer. When my F350 starts to wobble I try to change speeds or make turns to get the tire rotation out of sync. I don't know of a complete fix for this problem.
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I have had an '02 250/an 04 350 SRW/an 07 350 DRW and now an 09 450. All have been 4x4s--none have had the problem in more than 400k miles. It has to be wear in the front end components magnified by the steering stabilizer, shocks and/or tires. Surely, a competent front end shop could diagnose.
A lot of Ford truck owners automatically replace the stabilizer, or go to an aftermarket dual setup. Sometimes it works, but more often just lessens the impact.
But enough reports have surfaced to make it a real problem--just glad I haven't had it.
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I have had an '02 250/an 04 350 SRW/an 07 350 DRW and now an 09 450. All have been 4x4s--none have had the problem in more than 400k miles. It has to be wear in the front end components magnified by the steering stabilizer, shocks and/or tires. Surely, a competent front end shop could diagnose. A lot of Ford truck owners automatically replace the stabilizer, or go to an aftermarket dual setup. Sometimes it works, but more often just lessens the impact. But enough reports have surfaced to make it a real problem--just glad I haven't had it. Joe
Well if it has excessive wear in front end components at 26500 miles then I'm do e with ford. We have determined that is the junk General tires. Going to my ford guy Wednesday to check the steering stabilizer.
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Well if it has excessive wear in front end components at 26500 miles then I'm do e with ford. We have determined that is the junk General tires. Going to my ford guy Wednesday to check the steering stabilizer.
Tell him to check for TSB's for your truck. Ford has a TSB for replacement of the front stabilizer for certain superduties.
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spritz,

When you said that you've thrown a lot of $$$$ at the problem exactly what did they replace and what did they check???

Re-read post #10. If we try to tell you what your problem is we are diagnosing with no actual knowledge. All we can do is suggest possible causes based on our experiences. Have it checked at a quality alignment shop. Ask that every part be analyzed/checked to determine if they are functioning according to their intended purpose. That's not a very difficult job provided they know what and how to do it.
1. Tires: Spin them slowly and check for run-out, wobble, tread flow and
ply shifting etc.
2. Wheel bearings
3. Spring shackles, look for cracked leafs.
4. All steering components, tie-rods, pitman arm, idler arm connecting
links.
5. Steering gear box
6. Any shock stabilizers attached to steering system and designed to
dampen steering movement.
7. Steering gear box flexible couplers.
8. Shocks: I don't believe that shocks would cause the DW but they might contribute to the reason why the suspension continues to oscillate once it starts.

I Also find it hard to believe that brakes will have anything to do with the DW. Yes they are part of the wheel(s) that are wobbling but they either work or they don't.

Just some things to think about.
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New springs all the way around (had to have made 250.00 a pcs)
Shocks
Ball joints
New steering box/gear
All upper and lower Bushings replaced
New Tires
Tie rods
Balanced 3 times only off a hair
Bearings okay
Breaks okay
Rims ok
Alinement
all most a complete front end.
I want to sell it but can't with the way it rides on occasion. Thanks for the list of possibility's
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I used to do front end alignments and I was curious about what the caster camber specs was for your truck so I did a little research that led me to this post on another forum. The increase in caster makes sense to me.

E350/E450 Handling Problems are caused by too little + CASTER
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spritz, WOW!!! I understand your frustration but don't have any answers. You've done more than most would have done. I realize that hind sight is always 20/20 but for the benefit of others I would have asked them to show me WHY they were replacing a part. Demonstrate to me the current condition of the pars(s) that you want me to pay to have replaced. Why or how can they contribute to the current problem.

Your situation just might be one of those where all the stars are aligned just so and you get the DW. I know that's not much of an answer but I don't know what else you could possibly do except to increase the + caster to force more weight down on the steer tires.

Please keep us posted.

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By adding caster to both front wheels it effectively slows turning response, steering wheel returns to center faster and helps with straight line stability. It increases the force applied to the tie rod ends and makes the front wheels want to toe in more at rest. I did front end alignments for 9 years or so and back then 5 degrees positive caster was the most I'd seen required and that was on a mid 70's Chevy Monte Carlo.
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A friend was coming out of the alignment shop and asked me how many miles on my similar 4x4 truck. I told him 200k. He asked If I had the front end rebuild and I told him no. He told me he just paid over $2000 for front end repairs on his 70k truck. He has boiling mad.
I would agree with the alignment problem if not a rear broken main ply like my friends brother in law had.
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I have 183,000 on my 2000 Chevy 1 ton and has all original front end parts and it drives like the day I got it. Like I say I used to do alignments and yearly inspect the front suspension for wear and it's still very tight. Back when there were millions of Twin I-Beam Fords running around, it was common for me to see one come in for alignment and need a new tie rod end. Usually around the 60,000 mile mark. To adjust caster and camber on those, we had the tools to actually bend the axles.
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I have 183,000 on my 2000 Chevy 1 ton and has all original front end parts and it drives like the day I got it. Like I say I used to do alignments and yearly inspect the front suspension for wear and it's still very tight. Back when there were millions of Twin I-Beam Fords running around, it was common for me to see one come in for alignment and need a new tie rod end. Usually around the 60,000 mile mark. To adjust caster and camber on those, we had the tools to actually bend the axles.
My sisters F350 has 225K on the clock. Just installed ball joints on it for the first time. I actually replaced everything up there because I started a new career path where I would not be able to take care of the maintenance for her like I had in the path. Figure a quarter of a million miles is pretty good for the original suspension in the area that we live in.

I always thought GM had good suspensions until I started looking at all the front end issues with the GM Suburban's, vans, and trucks that we own. Of course the Econoline vans are not much better.
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Thanks everyone for the replays.

Truck went into the shop on Thursday, there going to switch the front tires with the inside rear tires, adjust the toe, and install a new steering stabilizer. Should pick it up on Monday.
Should be good after that.

Thought about switching out all the tires but I may be selling this truck. The wife and I found a new combo we like, we'll see.
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Thanks everyone for the replays. Truck went into the shop on Thursday, there going to switch the front tires with the inside rear tires, adjust the toe, and install a new steering stabilizer. Should pick it up on Monday. Should be good after that. Thought about switching out all the tires but I may be selling this truck. The wife and I found a new combo we like, we'll see.
Update
Local Ford Dealer replaced the stabilizer and today I replaced the front tires and all seems to be good. We leave for a short trip to PA in the am so that will be a good test run.

Thanks again.
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