Ford 3.5l TS Performance Ecoboost Ecopro

[campnfool]

I've been researching this. Does anyone have experience towing with a TS Performance Ecoboost Ecopro for a 2011-2014 3.5L Ecoboost. If so, what say you bout the good &/or the bad.
It's suppose to
. increase HP 50+
. improve fuel economy
. more responsive throttle
if true

Would appreciate any feedback.

[tuffr2]

You can go to YouTube and FTL (Fast Lane Trucks) tested a turned eco-boost (not the tune you mentioned) and it was faster in the 1/4 mile by 2 seconds I think. They also pulled a trailer and it was faster acceleration.

Maybe YouTube search 'FTL drag race trailer'.

The 2.7 turned eco-boost broke the drive shaft. But the 3.5 eco-boost held up.

Incase you do not know the F-150 with the 2.7 eco-boost is the F-150 lite. Lighter frame, lower GVWR etc. Really was build so Ford did not need the Ford Ranger...or so they thought

You do know tuning an engine will lower its longevity right?

[campnfool]

Thanks for your feed back. This and other sites tell the same tale. Evidently nobody has actually installed one so that tells me allot. tuffr2..I have seen You tube videos bout this and other tunes.

[ASTMedic]

Originally Posted by campnfool

Thanks for your feed back. This and other sites tell the same tale. Evidently nobody has actually installed one so that tells me allot. tuffr2..I have seen You tube videos bout this and other tunes.

Most people towing are looking for durability and tunes kill durability. Most likely why there is little experience with the tunes

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by campnfool

I've been researching this. Does anyone have experience towing with a TS Performance Ecoboost Ecopro for a 2011-2014 3.5L Ecoboost. If so, what say you bout the good &/or the bad.
It's suppose to
. increase HP 50+
. improve fuel economy
. more responsive throttle
if true

Would appreciate any feedback.

It is getting easier and easier to "tune" vehicles, especially turbocharged ones. My buddy doubled the output of his little Mitsubishi turbo 25+ years ago, just crank up the wastegate. Thing is, he needed an engine before hotting 40 000km.

You can only push so much before things start wearing or breaking.

[tuffr2]

I think if I were going to tune an Eco-Boost I think I would try doing it with just software.

[sirtate]

Al lot of the 'chip tunes' just tell the ECU to expect a higher octane fuel than standard pump 87.

This allows for a more advanced timing and higher max boost...

Although, I'm afraid that it'll hurt longevity.

[tuffr2]

I am not sure what Ford did to the 3.5 Eco-Boost since 2011 when it had 420 ft. lbs. of torque to now 510 ft. lbs. of torque in the Raptor an 470 ft. lbs. In the regular F-150.

I think they added port injection along with the direct injection but that does not add power that I know of.

Ford is also using a graphite iron block for the 3.5 Eco-Boost which makes the block lighter and stronger.

Ford also contracts with Roush to soup up there cars and trucks. But I think Roush will super charge the 5.0 but does not soup up the 3.5 Eco-Boost.

5 or 10 years from now we can look back at all the turbo charged cars from Honda, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, etc and see the longevity of these new turbo engines.

[Jghall00]

Originally Posted by campnfool

I've been researching this. Does anyone have experience towing with a TS Performance Ecoboost Ecopro for a 2011-2014 3.5L Ecoboost. If so, what say you bout the good &/or the bad.
It's suppose to
. increase HP 50+
. improve fuel economy
. more responsive throttle
if true

Would appreciate any feedback.

FWIW, I tow a 7K trailer with a 3.5 Ecoboost. Don't have any issues with power. Stability is more of an issue than acceleration. Having said that, any of the Ecoboost tuners (Fiverstar, Livernois) can get more power out of the Ecoboost. It's turbocharged, so it's relatively easy to add boost, timing, or lean out the A/F ratio and make huge gains. Not sure about durability though, so I stay stock as long as my warranty is intact.

[Riccochet]

Personally, having owned a tuned 2011 3.5EB F150, I wouldn't tow with it on a performance tune. The 6R80 just can't handle the low end torque. In 2015 they updated the transmission and fixed a bunch of the condensation issues with the intercooler.

I went through multiple 5# and Livernois tunes, as well as custom tunes from local shops. Seriously impressive numbers with some bolt ons and tuning. It's easy to get another 100 HP and 150 ft/lbs of torque without much parts investment and a 93 octane tune. But, weak link 6R80 just can't handle it. New clutch packs, built valve body, still it would **** the bed. I bought the truck new and at 45k mile when I traded it the trans had been cracked open 6 times.

Like mentioned, boost is not your friend when you are looking for efficiency. Your fuel economy will tank hard the more boost you give it.

[tuffr2]

But boost equal smile. It is a bad drug and not fun at the high 93 anti knock nozzle. But fun while it lasts.

I am trying to squelch the want to buy a Eco-Boost ever since I test drove a 2018 Ford Raptor about 6 weeks ago.

[theoldwizard]

The easiest and probably SAFEST way to get more "power" out of any vehicle is to change the final drive ratio. If you have 3.55 go to 3.73. Got 3.73, go to 4.10. The dealer can correct the speedometer reading.

[Jghall00]

Originally Posted by Riccochet

Personally, having owned a tuned 2011 3.5EB F150, I wouldn't tow with it on a performance tune. The 6R80 just can't handle the low end torque. In 2015 they updated the transmission and fixed a bunch of the condensation issues with the intercooler.

I had not heard about transmission issues with the tune, so I looked up specs for the tranny. According to the link below, it's 590 lb-ft.

Ford 6R80 Transmission Specs & Ratios

If this is accurate, there should be some headroom. But I guess this is why manufacturers frequently limit torque output at low RPM. If I had to guess, i would say the rate at which torque ramps is probably more problematic than the actual peak torque. Wish I had the funds to find the limits of this engine/transmission combo, but the stock combo does its job well. Thanks for the warning. Maybe one day.

[Riccochet]

Originally Posted by Jghall00

I had not heard about transmission issues with the tune, so I looked up specs for the tranny. According to the link below, it's 590 lb-ft.

Ford 6R80 Transmission Specs & Ratios

If this is accurate, there should be some headroom. But I guess this is why manufacturers frequently limit torque output at low RPM. If I had to guess, i would say the rate at which torque ramps is probably more problematic than the actual peak torque. Wish I had the funds to find the limits of this engine/transmission combo, but the stock combo does its job well. Thanks for the warning. Maybe one day.

Yeah I don't think it's peak torque, but rather how fast it comes on. It's fine in high HP N/A V8 applications, like the Mustang and 5.0 F150. The 6R80 is technically a 4R70 case with 2 extra gears. Everything was shrunk to make it all fit. In 2012 they modified it from a 6 to 7 plate clutch due to 3.5 EB's eating them up. Line pressure and valve body components were also changed.

Most people never had any issues. But for those of us that drove the truck with a heavy foot, well, there's a massive thread on F150Forum about these transmissions having all kinds of issues. The first sign being when coming to a stop it feels like you get rear ended. Basically the clutch plates sticking and over pressure on a plunger valve until something breaks free.

Don't even get me started on the condensation in the intercooler that Ford refused to acknowledge until late 2013.

I'm sure they've worked out most of the kinks in new trucks. This motor mated with their new 10 speed must be an awesome ride. There's just nothing "Eco" about them unless you stay out of boost. Might as well get the N/A V6 if that's what you're looking for.