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Old 07-25-2017, 11:35 PM   #15
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Please refrain from insults, it really lessens your ability to be believed and is generally a sign of a weak argument or individual. There is no need to sling mud here, we can discuss like adults, can't we?


So yes, I stated same build and options on a F350 and F250, including the engine and rear-end although I didn't explicitly state the rear-end, which is possible. The only thing different "mechanically" is the rear lift blocks. The rest is basically the same truck unless you want to knit-pick about badges, stickers and such. Yes, a F250 has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs while the F350 has a GVWR of 11,500 lbs (or whatever the GVWR is for the new iteration F350). Where do those numbers come from?

And BTW, I said nothing about the F450 so not sure why you are going off on that comparing a F250 build to a F450.

The F250 3/4 ton designation basically exists to full fill a non-commercial tax base in states that tax for GVWR over 10,000 lbs. In some states, having that GVWR over 10,000 lbs put them into higher road taxes. There truly is almost no other need for a 3/4 ton build except for how a state perceives that truck usage.

I'm sorry if this is new news to you but I've said my peace on this. You can choose to not believe it as you want. But, I'm done here.
I'm sorry to say this and I'm not trying to be insulting but you have no idea what you are talking about.
The 250 and 350 have much different ratings. Why you keep saying what you say is beyond me. You will see few to none F250 towing 16 to 18 ton 5th wheels. Do you have any idea why that is? It has to do with payload capacity. It has to do with the increased capabilities of the 350. I'm tired of talking to a brick wall
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:32 AM   #16
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16 to 18 ton 5er! Oh my....
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Pot meet kettle?


I have done my research and do own a 6.7L F350. For a similarly optioned SRW F350 and F250, there is little difference except for the OEM rated GVWR. Same chassis, same axles, same wheels/tires (in many cases), same engine/tune/turbo(6.7L), same transmission. You can choose not to believe that which is fine.
Apparently you haven't researched thoroughly, as there are other differences also. The following will be numbers that pertain to the F250 and then the F350...SRW, not the Dually.

Rear axle: 6200/7280
Brakes: VAC boost/hydro boost (diesel, not the gas engine)
Rear axle shaft minor diameter: 1.36/1.50
Rear axle major diameter: 1.50/1.57
Number of spines: 35/37
Brake master cylinder bore diameter: 1.31/1.50

Of course the big difference is available payload capacity of the F250 vs. F350, and that will be clearly stated on the white/yellow sticker that states tire size, rim size, inflation pressures, and PAYLOAD.
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16 to 18 ton 5er! Oh my....
Wow, that would indeed be a big fifth wheel. Thanks for the catch, I try not to let that happen.
You get my eagle eye award for the day!
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Apparently you haven't researched thoroughly, as there are other differences also. The following will be numbers that pertain to the F250 and then the F350...SRW, not the Dually.

Rear axle: 6200/7280
Brakes: VAC boost/hydro boost (diesel, not the gas engine)
Rear axle shaft minor diameter: 1.36/1.50
Rear axle major diameter: 1.50/1.57
Number of spines: 35/37
Brake master cylinder bore diameter: 1.31/1.50

Of course the big difference is available payload capacity of the F250 vs. F350, and that will be clearly stated on the white/yellow sticker that states tire size, rim size, inflation pressures, and PAYLOAD.
Nice to read a post from someone who knows his trucks.
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Thanks to everyone for the info! So I see now that my 2012 F-250 (6.2L) has a max. trailer weight of 12,200 lbs. (with a weight distributing hitch), and a GVW of 10,000 lbs. My loaded trailer is 9500 lbs.

So trailer tongue weight should be approx. 950 lbs., plus cargo in truck (250 lbs approx.) and people (about 400 lbs.) with a base curb weight of 6598 lbs.

So with cargo, family and BCW we looking at 7250 lbs., add tongue weight of 950 lbs., we're at 8200 lbs.

Anything I'm missing here? And does everything look ok?
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All this bickering, and now no real help...why is there so much bickering re. towing? I've read on one post "oh no, here come the towing police", how about just helping and not arguing? Thanks in advance fellow campers.
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Take your truck and load it up. Family, fuel, grill, propane bottle, tools, bike(s) and weigh the truck. Included the hitch and tow bars. I think you will find the truck heavier than you estimate. If not great.

Then do the math.
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Thanks to everyone for the info! So I see now that my 2012 F-250 (6.2L) has a max. trailer weight of 12,200 lbs. (with a weight distributing hitch), and a GVW of 10,000 lbs. My loaded trailer is 9500 lbs.

So trailer tongue weight should be approx. 950 lbs., plus cargo in truck (250 lbs approx.) and people (about 400 lbs.) with a base curb weight of 6598 lbs.

So with cargo, family and BCW we looking at 7250 lbs., add tongue weight of 950 lbs., we're at 8200 lbs.

Anything I'm missing here? And does everything look ok?
Good you found the payload sticker. Now you need to use it That sticker is based off the actual truck weighed at the end of the factory line, so its accurate to that truck, whereas the tow guides are a little more generic.

Your base weight is wrong - your payload is 3060lbs off the B pillar sticker - So 10000lbs GVWR -3060lbs Payload = your truck is 6940lbs (approx) using that calculation, more then you allowed for. Still going to be well under 10k lbs using your numbers above...

NOW add all your cargo and humans and etc ...but your on the right track.

Like Gordon Dewald said- its even better if you go weight it ready to tow and use that.
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okay, so without going to find a scale, and taking my family with me, and loading up my truck, BASED ON THE ESTIMATED WEIGHT above, how much wiggle room will I have with my truck? Thanks everyone...
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okay, so without going to find a scale, and taking my family with me, and loading up my truck, BASED ON THE ESTIMATED WEIGHT above, how much wiggle room will I have with my truck? Thanks everyone...
Rerun your calcs with a truck base weight of 6940lbs
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Sorry Gordon, but that's not going to happen. So how about based on the numbers I gave above, what's the verdict? Thank you.

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Take your truck and load it up. Family, fuel, grill, propane bottle, tools, bike(s) and weigh the truck. Included the hitch and tow bars. I think you will find the truck heavier than you estimate. If not great.

Then do the math.
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Sorry Gordon, but that's not going to happen. So how about based on the numbers I gave above, what's the verdict? Thank you.
I'll leave others to comment on that.

The best way is to weigh your rig as if you are heading camping. It's the only way to know for sure. Also weigh front and rear axles separately.

People get into trouble by exceeding the RAWR even though they tow within the trucks weight limits.

If you can't do it now, in your travels when towing, stop into a truck scale somewhere to get your actual #'s.

It was worth it to me for piece of mind.
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Take your truck and load it up. Family, fuel, grill, propane bottle, tools, bike(s) and weigh the truck. Included the hitch and tow bars. I think you will find the truck heavier than you estimate. If not great.

Then do the math.
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This is really the only real way to tell, Gordon is correct. If you can't take everyone with you, take yourself and fuel and add a high estimate for cargo weights, wife, dogs, firewood etc..

Honestly the 7250lbs sounds light to me, but I'm just comparing it to mine, my F250 is right around 8000lbs fully loaded. Me, wife and two English Mastiffs.
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