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Old 10-01-2006, 12:21 PM   #15
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Almost all of the 3/4 and 1T drivetrains are the same. The main difference between these trucks is the suspension system - brakes, wheels, axles etc. These allow the truck to carry more load and as explained in previous posts better carries the larger pin wts of fivers.
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:26 PM   #16
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Richard, thanks for the reply an info..kinda like I was thinking, an I dont see a lotta difference in the price's of 3/4 ton diesel an 1 ton diesels. I was kinda hating to have to drive a dually around all time , but guess i could get used to it LOL , anyways thanks alot Richard. An yes I leaning toward a ford powerstroke, seems about 70 % of fifthwheels are towed by Fords even tho I love the cummins diesel also. happy travels !
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:09 PM   #17
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Tom, there are a whole lot of folks towing 35' plus 5er with 3/4 ton trucks and do not have a xclue as to their weight. What you muset go by is the GVWR of the truck and the loaded weight of the truck, not the manufacturers curb weight. My F350 crew cab, 7.3L dually weights right at 8000# with me , the copilot, hitch, full fiuel and tool box. The Trucks GVWR is 11,500#, so I can tak a hitch weight (or payload) of 3500# at the max.

Most larger 5ers will have a loaded hitch weight of close to 20% of the trailers GVWR when loaded. So a trailer with a 14,000 GVWR will have a loaded hitch weight of about 2800#.

Some of the newer 3/4 ton trucks have higher GVWR's but you still need a real loaded truck weight. Most 3/4 ton diesel trucks in crew cab configuration will weigh a bit over 7200# (or so)in ready to travel model.

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I have found a Cedar Creek fiver, model 36RLTS with 3 slides , 50 amp, 2 airs, remote controlled electric fireplace, ita a 2004 an never been lived in nor licensed. Looks like brand new, the plate on the hitch says pinload 15500. Is this what the fiver can be loaded to. I couldnt find the dry weight anywhere. does anyone have any info on this fiver model an the orignal cost of when new? I think I can get it for 25,000, also has a stacked washer an dryer. thanks
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The 15500 number is most likely GVWR (gross vehicel weight rating) which is the most the trailer can weigh ...total. Axles plus pin weight. Their should be a sticker inside a cabinet of clsoet which list the UVW (unloaded vehicle weight) as it left the factory. May or may not include the washer dryer.

You can figure onec you are loaded, you pin weight on this trailer will be 3100# or so as an estimate.


Check NADA for a listing on the price on the trailer.
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I pull a 28' Jayco 5th wheel with a Chevy Silverado 2500HD 6.0 liter with no problems at all. Personal prefrence probably, but I like the GM powertrains better than Ford or Dodge.I have owned all 3 and the Chevy seems better equipped for towing(power,fuel,comfort,etc).If I did alot more towing I would definately get a diesel.I only pull it 10-12 times a year so the gas engine is fine and I couldn't justify the extra 8-10 thousand dollars more for the diesel.
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Hi,
Just thought I would let you know that the pictures you posted of the Allegro you are selling don't show up. Just the small <span class="ev_code_RED">red</span> x
at least to me.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tom41:
guys , I found this on the internet, its Fords specs for f250 an f350 diesels, there doesnt seem a lot of difference ! Boy this confusing as H--L ! LOL , but i know you guys have pulled with both an all sizes of traliers. I used to pull a TT back in the 70's but have had motorhomes since , gas an diesels. I will heed you fela's experienced. thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Tom, I had the same questions. I knew I wanted something on the order of 34 ft for a 5vr and I gleaned some info on various websites on empty and loaded weights, plus the pin weight. Having that info, I went looking for a truck.

Gassers are fine for smaller 5th wheels but when you get into the larger trailers, a gasser will suffer some extreme powertrain stress and the mileage heads south in a hurry. Start thinking about how often you will be towing, the grades you will be pulling up (and down) and how heavy a rig you will be towing.

It all boils down to longevity, having the power you need to tow and fuel mileage for most of us. I picked a diesel and let me tell ya, the thing runs like a raped ape! (oops..not a nice thing to say, eh?) The power and torque is amazing. I've hauled my 5vr up some lengthy 6% grades out here in Orygun with no problems whatsoever. Plus, the tow/haul mode on the Allison trans in my Chev really helps maintain uphill speed and downhill slowing. A real saver on brakes!

What do you need? Well, once I knew what the dry and full weight of the trailers were, I did some simple calculations on a truck/5vr combo Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVW) which helped me pick the right size truck for my needs. You can see below I left some contingency weight capacity room just to be safe or to make sure I could haul with full water tanks when boondocking. It's a bit conservative but I'm like many who just like to plan forward and be safe!

Here's the calculations I used (Chev 1Ton Diesel Crewcab):

Max GCVW = 23,200

Truck Dry Weight = 6,322

Max Truck GVWR = 9,900

Truck Capacity = 3,578

Diesel Weight Lb / Gal. = 7

Full Tank = 238

Normal Truck Weight Calculation:

Truck, Dry 6,322

Add Fuel 250

Add People 800

Add Gear 600 (truck box, headache rack, tools, etc)

Contingency 500

Total 8,472

Max Trailer Weight Calculation:

Max GCVW 23,200

Normal Truck Weight - 8,472

Max Trailer Weight 14,728

Jayco Eagle 341 RLQS Max 14,000
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There are things that can be done to help the gas rig get more power and better mpg, here is a post we put on the workhorse section for the ultra power:
Topic: Ultrapower evaluation
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Another UltraPower test
2004 Chevy K2500 8.1L & Allison 5spd

Before: 288 Horsepower & 410 torque

After:
Ultrapower programming,Gibson exhaust,Cold air intake & plugs.
Horsepower 391 & torque 523

This truck is a rocket ship
We are doing a W20 Safari Trek today I will post results soon!


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