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Old 09-29-2006, 08:02 AM   #1
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I'm kinda leaning toward either a travel trailer or fifth wheel in the 31 to 33 ft length . I would want 2 slides . But I need the truck also. what is the best truck an most powerful gas engine ? I have seen many 3/4 ton trucks towing fifthwheels, I know a 3/4 would be ok for a tag a long. any suggestions? Do they still make the 454 vortec? which is better ford v-10 or vortec? thanks
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I'm kinda leaning toward either a travel trailer or fifth wheel in the 31 to 33 ft length . I would want 2 slides . But I need the truck also. what is the best truck an most powerful gas engine ? I have seen many 3/4 ton trucks towing fifthwheels, I know a 3/4 would be ok for a tag a long. any suggestions? Do they still make the 454 vortec? which is better ford v-10 or vortec? thanks
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:58 AM   #3
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Chevy does not make 454 any more the big gas engine would be 8.1 L about 494 cid. they also have the 6.0 L about 366 cid.

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The 6.0L is not enough motor for any trailer of over about 25 feet in length. So your choices are limited to big blocks. But I gotta ask, why not a diesel? Better fuel milage, bith towing and empty, able to tow heavier loads without complaint, longer life. And right now, you can get then at some pretty good prices. Sure diesel fuel is 30 cents a gal higher, but how many gassers have you seen that can get 22 MPG empty and 10.5 towing 21,ooo pounds?
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Old 09-29-2006, 06:23 PM   #5
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450Donn you so right about diesels, as you can see by my signature I have a diesel pusher with allison 6 speed. This is a very good coach a 1994 Allegro Bay 36 ft. I full time an have owned this coach since it was 2 yrs old. I was just thinking a trailer, or fifthwheel would be better for me, I was also concerned with prices of trucks , I know that anything I have to have done with my diesel pusher costs like theres no tomorrow! Just had a complete set of brake pads an 4 rotors, seals at a cost of $2348.00, No problem ever with the 230 cummins, an i just rolled over 1002000 miles, an doesnt use a drop of oil. But i doubt if I can ever afford another diesel pusher the way prices are, so i am lookin at Holiday rambler TT 32 with 2 slides an a 3/4 ton truck, I would like a good used diesel truck either ford or chevy. Thanks for everones responce, I need all the info an help i can get!!
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Old 09-29-2006, 06:33 PM   #6
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Somebody forgot to tell me a 6.0 L would not pull my 33 ft trailer or maybe we tell the truck that it can't pull it.

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6.0L gasser will be a bit on the small side for a 33' trailer unless you have a 4.10 axle and them it may do OK. Once you get up over about 28' a small gasser will be working really hard. Here is where a diesel will really show you how a load is to be pulled.

It will pull it, but it will be a lot of work....in my opinion.

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GM has been improving the Vortech engines for the last 6yrs - for 2007 the 6L is going to have 350HP@5400RPM and 380 ft-lbs torque@4000RPM. Which is a 50hp and 20ft-lb improvement over the 06 version. The 07 8.1L will have 330HP@4200RPM and 450 ft-lb of torque @ 3200RPM. Both have very flat torque curves that don't vary more than 100 ft-lbs over the HP range. The 8.1L is available with the allison tranny and in 07 the new 6speed GM tranny will be offered with the 6.0 in the 2500 and 3500 HDs. It looks like the new tranny has a lower 1st close coupled 2-4 and 5 and 6 are both OD. The 6.0 is also slated to get the Active Fuel Management system (4/8 cyl mode). They are boasting a 10000lb tow rating in 07.
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fellas I got a lot of info from you guys, an most useful. I went today looking at trailers, but quickly decided against a TT , found a couple of montana's fifth wheels , 3 slides 07, that seems more like I want since my DW an I are fulltimers. the one we really liked is a 35.11 length, weight, 10505 lbs, cc, 3585, pin, 2090, 3 slides. I was told by the dealer that a 3/4 ton diesel truck would take care of this fiver with no problem. I havent gotten a truck as of yet , but will start looking (used) then sell my jeep an coach DP. do you fellas think a 3/4 ton diesel will handle this ok? I do travel mountains an all kind of terain, plus flat also . thanks
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">do you fellas think a 3/4 ton diesel will handle this ok? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> NO

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Tom, to answer your question from experience, I'll relate mine. I use to tow a 10,000LB GVW 5er with a 1996 Dodge CTD, BR2500HD. The truck and 5er seemed well matched and towed very well. We bought a new 15,000LB GVW 5er and it was just too much weight, both pin weight and towed weight, for the 3/4T to handle comfortably. My beloved Dodge/Cummins was a great truck but I was tense most of the time towing. I bought a GM 1T dually, and towing is once again pleasurable. Todays gas engines have much to offer, making engine choice more a monetary and preference issue than anything else. Annual mileage is a consideration for you it seems. With that much mileage on your present rig a diesel engine makes sense.
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guys , I found this on the internet, its Fords specs for f250 an f350 diesels, there doesnt seem a lot of difference ! Boy this confusing as H--L ! LOL , but i know you guys have pulled with both an all sizes of traliers. I used to pull a TT back in the 70's but have had motorhomes since , gas an diesels. I will heed you fela's experienced. thanks
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sorry I forgot to post the site of the ford spec's
http://www.meadowlandford.com/2004-f...ruck-specs.htm
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tom41:
"the one we really liked is a 35.11 length, weight, 10505 lbs, cc, 3585, pin, 2090, 3 slides. <span class="ev_code_RED">I was told by the dealer that a 3/4 ton diesel truck would take care of this fiver with no problem.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tom,

Beware of anything a dealer tells you regarding what a truck can pull and/or haul. They are there to sell RV's and will usually tell you whatever they think you'll want to her that will facilitate making a sale.

I have no idea what brand truck, cab configuration, or drive system (4x2 or 4x4) you're looking for, but apparently you've shopped some Fords.

If I recall correctly from my Ford days, a 3/4 ton F250 Ford has a GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) of 8800#. Maybe the new ones are a little more.

From this 8800# if you subtract the empty weight of the truck, (which ranges from around 6200# for a 4x2 regular cab to around 7800# for a fully equipped diesel 4x4 crew cab), then subtract your weight and the weights of any passengers who'll be riding, subtract any cargo hauled in the truck such as tools or firewood, the weight of a 5th wheel hitch, you'll probably not have enough cargo carrying capacity left to carry the 2090# pin weight for the Montana.

Also, as you add stuff to the trailer, the pin weight will increase proportionately as determined by the location of the stuff placed in it. It would not be unrealistic to consider an unloaded 2090# weight pin would increase by 300# - 400# after the trailer is loaded.

There are many, many large 5th wheels being towed with 3/4 ton trucks. Most are doing so in an overloaded condition.
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