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Old 02-13-2014, 08:26 PM   #43
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Please tell me more about the 1/2 ton GM diesel. I have been looking for one of those for years.

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The newer 6.5L with turbo might get the job done. The only problem these engines had was the HP fuel pump module failed so I installed a remote cooled unit on my 98 2500. A 2500 might be as good a deal as they can tow a fairly big 5th wheel. I towed a 11700 lbs one with a 2000 lbs in tow for 9 years.
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our daughter has a Jayco Eagle TT, best guess would be in the 7,000 lb range, that she tows with our 2011 Chevy 1500 5.3 6 speed tranny (tows mostly in 5th) with GM's max tow package .... they are coupled via a ProPride hitch .... most of her towing is over flat to rolling landscapes and the rig performs well .... based on two years of towing, she has come to anticipate 11 mpg towing and experienced zero issues .... based on my experience with the rig, I wouldn't hesitate to head out and travel cross country

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We have a Wildwood 28Dbud which has a dry weight of just under 6000 lbs. We tow it with a 2010 RAM 4x4 1500 with a Hemi. We use a Fastway E2 weight distributing hitch. It tows it just fine. I towed large boats for a number of years, and the RV tows much better than the boats.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:45 PM   #46
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Have not towed with my new Tundra (2014) yet. My 25' tt I have towed with my V-8 4Runner and was averaging 11 mpg was getting 12 mpg on the older 24' tt.

With the 6 speed tranny in the Tundra I would be real happy to get back to 12 again. The Runner only had a 5 speed, which for the most part would stay in over-drive at about 1800 rpm's.

Anyone tow a 5000-5100 lb tt with the 5.7L Tundra? Wonder what the rpm's are at going 58-60 mph. The sweet spot for the 4Runner was at 58 / 59 mph., over 60 it would drop a gear (2300 rpm's) to keep up the speed.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:15 PM   #47
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Lots of haft ton bashing around here! Last time I checked a gas gm 2500 with 3.73 has the same tow rating as a 1500 with 3.43. The big diffs is payload and gas mileage when towing. For the 8-10 times I tow I can deal with 9 mpg, and all the other times getting 18 mpg.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:42 PM   #48
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Oh and I tow a 27ft trailer with a dry weight if 6,000 pounds. Fully loaded just under 7,000. With a 2013 Silverado 1500 extended cab 4x4 5.3 and tow great. And all numbers are good, with 400 to spare in payload!
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:13 PM   #49
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I find it a tad funny that half tons take such a thrashing on these forums. Yet towing with a CRV, minivan or a jetta is considered acceptable? I'm not saying it isn't, but "payload" ratings are fickle to me, and that seems to be what everybody is about- only if it's a half ton though. Any 2500s and 3500s are exempt from these rules. I can take a look at my wifes Explorer- she has a higher payload than my half ton. BUT, take a look at the frame, rotors, overall design and construction. Yeah, sure, it can hold this many lbs of occupants and cargo because they saved weight by making everything else lighter and thinner. And, by the payload numbers game, her Explorer can tow our 5500-5600lbs travel trailer with more confidence than my half ton because she has a larger fictional sticker. Bah. That trailer would twist that little SUV to a pretzel.

So it's nice to see some others happily towing with half tons. Some of us are under ratings, some over. I am over GVWR but under axle ratings which is what I pay attention to- I am not "ideal", but who is? Around here, they only check tire and axle ratings because they don't even care about GVWR of the tow vehicle because it can be registered to whatever you want. Only the trailer. And that is IF they even inspect you- which almost never happens. My half ton outweighs my trailer by a good 1500lbs. I have more truck than trailer. Some of the components that go into a payload rating such as box and body mounts are not even affected by tongue weight. And, FWIW, I feel a heck of a lot safer in my little half ton that is a bit overloaded than in the big HD trucks flying by me at 80mph with a huge tag along and a full ATV deck on the back.

This isn't a rant or a deliberate poke at anyone. Just an observation from a newbie
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I've been away from the RV forums for about a year now and it's good to see the 1/2t discussions are still going on. 2004 F150 4WD Supercrew, 5.4 gas with no modification, 5-1/2' bed with a PullRite auto slider, pulling a 2002 Cougar 286 (30') that weighs 8k loaded. No problems. Starts good, stops right. Can't complain yada yada. Mileage goes from 14 or so to 8-10 pulling on the flats.
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We UPGRADED to the F150 in sig from a Tahoe. This tows like a dream and has made our trips much more enjoyable. The Aerolite is getting crowded with the addition of a 2nd large dog so looking to go a bit bigger at some point. Our 2090 available payload is equal to some 250's and 2500's I see out there.

Now, I have to comment on all the 1/2 ton bashers and weight police out there. While I certainly don't condone going outside manufacturers weights two things come to mind. 1) the industry (auto and RV) does not make sense to many people that don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of towing. They should be held accountable for letting people walk out the door knowing it's unsafe. 2) there are many 3/4 and 1 ton rigs that are way overweight also. There is another forum where members post their scale weights. Always surprised that they could possibly be overweight. Then they fall back to their axle rating rather than the GVWR why can't 1/2 tons do that too?
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We UPGRADED to the F150 in sig from a Tahoe. This tows like a dream and has made our trips much more enjoyable. The Aerolite is getting crowded with the addition of a 2nd large dog so looking to go a bit bigger at some point. Our 2090 available payload is equal to some 250's and 2500's I see out there.

Now, I have to comment on all the 1/2 ton bashers and weight police out there. While I certainly don't condone going outside manufacturers weights two things come to mind. 1) the industry (auto and RV) does not make sense to many people that don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of towing. They should be held accountable for letting people walk out the door knowing it's unsafe. 2) there are many 3/4 and 1 ton rigs that are way overweight also. There is another forum where members post their scale weights. Always surprised that they could possibly be overweight. Then they fall back to their axle rating rather than the GVWR why can't 1/2 tons do that too?
The big difference between 1/2 ton and 3/4-1ton RAWR is that on a 1/2 ton usually the FAWR and RAWR are real close to the GVW. On 3/4-1 ton trucks the RAWR and the FAWR combined are higher than the trucks GVW.
Most 3/4-1 tons have 6000lb-7000lb RAWR's, while 1/2 tons are 38-4050lbs or so. If you max out the RAWR or the GVW on a 1/2 ton then you max out both.

As an example my truck is a 3/4 ton and has a 9600lb GVW. But has a FAWR of 5500 and a RAWR of 6000lbs. That's 11,500lbs. Or 1900lbs over the GVW.
My last truck which was a 2010 F150 Max Tow with a 7650 lb GVW had a RAWR of 4050lbs and a FAWR of IIRC 37-3850lbs. What happened was when I hit the trucks 4050lb RAWR all loaded up I was at 7600lbs on the GVW.

No reserve in a 1/2 ton. The reason is that 1/2 tons are their own entity. 3/4 tons and 1 tons are cross bred. Up until 2013-14 most 3/4 tons were just softer sprung 1 tons. Same frames, drive trains etc. 1/2 tons don't have a big brother like 3/4 tons do to share components with.
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The big difference between 1/2 ton and 3/4-1ton RAWR is that on a 1/2 ton usually the FAWR and RAWR are real close to the GVW. On 3/4-1 ton trucks the RAWR and the FAWR combined are higher than the trucks GVW.
Most 3/4-1 tons have 6000lb-7000lb RAWR's, while 1/2 tons are 38-4050lbs or so. If you max out the RAWR or the GVW on a 1/2 ton then you max out both.

As an example my truck is a 3/4 ton and has a 9600lb GVW. But has a FAWR of 5500 and a RAWR of 6000lbs. That's 11,500lbs. Or 1900lbs over the GVW.
My last truck which was a 2010 F150 Max Tow with a 7650 lb GVW had a RAWR of 4050lbs and a FAWR of IIRC 37-3850lbs. What happened was when I hit the trucks 4050lb RAWR all loaded up I was at 7600lbs on the GVW.

No reserve in a 1/2 ton. The reason is that 1/2 tons are their own entity. 3/4 tons and 1 tons are cross bred. Up until 2013-14 most 3/4 tons were just softer sprung 1 tons. Same frames, drive trains etc. 1/2 tons don't have a big brother like 3/4 tons do to share components with.
Sound explanation. My current Ram has only 1000lbs difference between GVWR and axle ratings. My previous F150- less. I think the biggest thing- regardless of "overloaded" or not- watch those ratings because they are serious business. Even if the half ton axles are not full floating, they are still designed to run effectively at or under the GAWR, anything more is a crap shoot. The benefits of the heavier HD axles- they don't tend to come apart when a component fails
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Hello, I have a 2012 25RS Puma. Pull with a 2008 Silverado 1500, 5.3, 3.73, tow package and Equalizer weight hitch. I get between 9 and 11 mpg .We don't do any mountain hills or such. It tows just fine. Loaded and pulling out of driveway Cat scales say 6,500 for truck and 5,620 for trailer, total=12,120. Can't wait to get her outta again.
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my ride and tow is in my signature-no problems-this f150 is rated for the highest tow capacity of any f 150-
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