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Old 03-30-2015, 12:52 PM   #1
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Question Heartland Cyclone 2015

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We just purchased our new toy hauler and are looking for a truck to pull it. Toy hauler is 44ft 3 axles 18000 gross weight. My question is can I get by with a 1 ton short bed or must I go with a dually?? Your help would be greatly appreciated!!

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Old 03-30-2015, 01:12 PM   #2
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Why a short bed?
I have a 43 ft Toy Hauler and tow with a dulley.
I just feel comfortable with this. Much safer if I have a blow out.
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Hi Lynn! Welcome to IRV2! We're sure glad you joined us!

Congrats on the new rig! Keep her between the ditches!

Good luck, happy trails, and God bless!
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Welcome, and thank you for your service.

As for your question, jeez! You will probably get a lot of feedback on that. My opinion for a tow vehicle for that size 5er, I would go with the 1 ton Dually. That's a lot of trailer.
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A 44' 18,000lb trailer, I am thinking this is Dually territory. Typically a single rear wheel truck can not carry the weight on just two tires. A dually is much more stable when towing. Especially today's steroid injected new dually's.
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Hi Lynn, this is also Lynn, I'll give you a little inside info from our experience. We have a 2014 cyclone 4100 and haul two Harleys along with all the usual stuff, clothes, tools, grill, etc. and we were pulling it w/ a 2011 swr w/6.7 TD. Truck did great, lots of power, exhaust brake etc. We were quite happy, until coming home from the Wisconsin Dells on Labor Day. Super heavy traffic w/ everybody doing 70 to 80 miles per hrs, even the slow lane. If you are familiar w/ Wi there isn't a straight road in the state except for I 90. Then add a 30 mph side wind and have semi after semi passing you. Well long story short, the wife asked why I was going so slow(65)? Every body is passing you,you are holding up traffic! My response was, I'm afraid to go any faster, we're getting pushed all over by the wind, I don't feel comfortable trying to pass anybody, trucks or other RV 's, especially going around curves! Her response was, did we buy too big of trailer when we traded? You said this truck would work! We didn't have this problem w/ our 39 ft raptor.
Well before we got home we stopped at the scale, and much to my surprise we came in at 29800 totally loaded but no water and empty black and grey tanks. Considering the truck weighed 8900, that put the trailer at almost 21000. I was shocked! Wife says we can't fulltime like this! What are we going to do? There was only 1answer. A DWR. But we can't afford to trade trucks!
So trying to ease the situation I started checking for leftover 2013's as the 2014's were already out. Took a month to find one I wanted and had to go to Detroit w/ my dealer to pick it up. But we saved 10000 dollars by buying a left over, so end result was it worked out well and two year newer truck.
So to conclude the story, our next trip was to arkansas, northern hilly country, wife says wow what a difference, you can't even tell the trailer is back there! Are you happy now? Should have gotten a dually the 1st time. You were right!
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You're not close to DRW territory, you are well in to it. I wouldn't even consider pulling anything 40 feet or longer with a SRW truck. I also don't care what anyone else says, it's not safe pulling one with a SRW. Power isn't the issue, they all have the same engine.

Legality is a whole other story. No one pulling a 40 foot plus toy hauler is even close to being legal.
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I disagree with C130, If the weights are within the factory specs for the GAWR and the GVWR of both the truck and the TH, then they are legal. But I do agree that you need a dually, and you need a newer dually, I have an 03 and I can't tow 18,000# without being over my GVWR. Most of the newer trucks weigh between 8500 and 9500# ready to haul, you add 3500 to 4500# pin weight and you are 12,000 and 14,000# gross on the truck, too much for a SWR.
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I disagree with C130, If the weights are within the factory specs for the GAWR and the GVWR of both the truck and the TH, then they are legal. But I do agree that you need a dually, and you need a newer dually, I have an 03 and I can't tow 18,000# without being over my GVWR. Most of the newer trucks weigh between 8500 and 9500# ready to haul, you add 3500 to 4500# pin weight and you are 12,000 and 14,000# gross on the truck, too much for a SWR.
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I agree with you and should have stayed it differently I guess but I don't think any SRW truck can legally pull that toy hauler. I don't even think it would be close to being legal. I pulled a 35 foot Fuzion 322TE with a new model F250 and I was overweight. Power wise it was fine but from my personal experience I wouldn't even consider pulling a 40 foot plus toy hauler with a SRW truck. Hit some big dips in the road, very windy conditions, you'll wish you had a dually.

I live in Texas and there are some big dips in our highways. I had one occasion in my F250 where there were several dips and the truck and trailer got in this rhythm motion that scared me pretty bad. Truck was bouncing like crazy and rear suspension was bottoming out bad and I had airbags also. I swore I'd trade my truck in at some point and never pull anything larger with a SRW truck. I recently was pulling my same toy hauler with my new F450 through Houston and hit a dip so big I was afraid it was going to move the rear end of the truck side ways.

My suggestion is talk to anyone that has pulled them with both SRW and DRW trucks and I'd bet not one of them will tell you to consider a SRW truck. The people pulling a 40 foot plus toy hauler with a SRW truck and saying it's okay are full of crap in my opinion. Let the same owner pull it with a DRW and they'd agree with me. First, you will not be legal. Yes, if you are legal then I'd say go for it but I'd like to see one person show me a SRW pickup that can legally tow a 44 foot toy hauler. Do yourself a favor safety wise and money wise, get a DRW to begin with or you'll be trading within a year.

I'm not sure where you live but in Texas and many other states you'll need a Class A non commercial license for anything with a combined gross weight over 26,000 pounds. I got mine yesterday and the lady told me it was a federal regulation so was not just a Texas law. I'm not sure about that but do know it's the law in Texas. For anyone else in Texas, heads up on your trailer inspection. You'll need one to renew your tags, otherwise they won't renew them.
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We are on the same page C130, Have a guy here in the park that bought a new TH last summer or fall, and was pulling it with a SWR 3500 dodge with the 4sp OD transmission, he went to the local Dodge dealer here and got a new one 3500SWR, says that the specs say that it can tow x xxxx# and I don't need a dually, now it is a 3 axle and they are full timers with a full dress Goldwing in the box, oh and it is a shortbed to boot. Could not convince him that his truck is overloaded. I have quit trying, the manufacturers coming up with these tow ratings are putting a lot of people in jeopardy of bad things happening, of course they are not at fault because the fine print says to never exceed any of the weight ratings.


Oh yeah, my unit is only 30' but it weighs over 16,000#, my GCWR is between 24,000 and 25,000#, so I fully understand about pulling a heavy trailer.

Once you pull with a dually, you will never go back to a SWR. Besides they are good for our health. You have to park way out and walk to any store so we always get our exercise, lol.
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I thought I was legal with my F250 until I had it weighed. One of the issues with the toy haulers is the pin weight, they are heavy! Plus, they seem to get bigger and bigger but guess they are about as big as they can get right now at around 44 feet. Pin weight was my issue was and I was over by several hundred pounds when I had it weighed and my toy hauler is only 35 feet. Some of the pin weights on the longer ones though aren't much heavier though. I just kept thinking of all that weight on the rear two wheels and my kids in the back seat.

I was told numerous times if I ever pulled it with a DRW truck I'd never go back to a SRW. Now, I'd have to agree with everyone who told me that, it's the way to go. I actually don't mind using it as a daily driver but could see it being an issue depending on where you had to park.
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