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Old 12-09-2019, 04:44 PM   #1
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How does this rig sound from a weight and towing perspective

OK, so I'm about to plunk down a large chunk of change for a new truck at fifth wheel, and I want to make sure I don't make the same mistake I've made before and buy a rig I can't tow safely. I'm pretty sure the below specs are fine, but as I said I've made mistakes in the past and really want to be sure I'm not missing any important considerations based on people's experience. Can anyone comment on my plan?

Truck: 2019 RAM 3500 Mega Cab, Single rear wheel, 6'4" box, 4x4 6.7L Cummins Diesel. Not a dually and not a long bed, because I want it to fit in my garage. Payload capacity per sticker is 3940, per sales literature is 4220. Towing capacity 19,860 lbs.

Fifth Wheel: 2020 Keystone Montana 330RL. Shipping weight 11,530 lbs. Carrying capacity 2730 lbs. Hitch weight 2255 lbs. Length 37'4".

Hitch: Pullrite ISR 2900 Superglide 20K (need a superglide because of the 6'4" box)

Thoughts? Comments? Other considerations?
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:41 PM   #2
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5th wheel GVWR----14, 260#
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Truck GVWR----11,400#
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:44 PM   #3
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You donít say what the GVWR is on the Montana. Adding the cargo to the dry weight gives 14,260. Iím guessing the sticker may actually say 14,500. The pin weight listed is dry weight. Once loaded your probably looking at 20-23% of your total 5er weight for your pin. If it 23% that will put you near your truck cargo capacity possibly before the truck is fully loaded. I looked at a SRW and decided on a dually for my 15,500 5er for the same reason. Too much pin weight when loaded. My DRW has a payload of 5600 lbs. I know others that have a 6000 lbs payload. Their truck is not 4wd.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:19 PM   #4
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So I am assuming that your garage door is only 8’ wide as your length would be the same SRW or DRW.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:53 PM   #5
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You'll be fine with that truck and trailer from a weight perspective. It's actually your axle ratings that matter. GVWR is more of a suggestion than anything else. Dodge ships your truck at 7200 pounds max, but we all know that's a lie. That truck is going to be around 7,500ish pounds (assuming you're 4x4, and have a full tank of fuel), with 4,500ish on the front axle, so 3,000ish on the rear. 7,000 pound rear axle gives you about 4,000 pounds to play with back there. Because of your short bed, your pin weight is going to be directly over the axle, not ahead of it a little, so you've basically got 4,000 pounds of pin weight and hitch weight to use. Fully loading the 5er gets you 3200 pounds of pin on a heavy day, leaving you with 800 pounds worth of hitch and people and dogs, and whatever else you want to put in the truck and not the 5er. Even if you're at 4000 pounds front axle and 3500 rear (unlikely with a diesel), you'll be within your meaningful ratings with a significant other and kid in the truck.



From a towing perspective, it's not ideal. Longer wheel base will ride better, and a dually would be more stable, though neither is needed for you. It just depends on how comfortable you are towing. Based on your post, you have some towing experience, so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. That truck will do what you want it to do. Ford and Chevy fanboys will give you some flak for getting a Dodge. As long as you're okay with that, enjoy the new truck.
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Agree, with the Ram 3500 you will be good to go.

But before you buy the Mega Cab Ram 3500 SRW go test drive the 2020 GM 3500 SRW so you know how the other third lives.

FYI - I am a Ford fan boy...look out Godzilla is coming.
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The 2020 Chevy “not-really-an-Allison-but-called-an-Allison” 10 speed transmission is already having issues. Might want to wait a bit on that suggestion.

I would get the 19 Chevy with a real Allison for the moment.
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So I am assuming that your garage door is only 8í wide as your length would be the same SRW or DRW.
The Mega Cab is 11 inches shorter than long box.

OP, you are good to go with that setup. There are some GREAT deals on 2019 Ram's right now. New style coming next month. I just pulled the trigger on a 2019 3500 6.7l Crew Cab 4x4 8' box Laramie. Love it. Looked at other brands as the last 2 I had were GMC, but for the price no other 3500 SRW had the payload I wanted. 4320lbs for me. GM and Ford were well under 4k. Only the new 2020 GM products had the number I needed, but nobody is dealing them right now. Got $15k off the Ram.
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rush2112 - wow, 15k off is great. Can you elaborate more on your next month comment? My understanding is the 2019 Ram has all the improvments in it. That 2020 Rams will be the same as the 2019's.
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According to pickuptrucks.com for the 2020:

The changes to the heavy-duty Ram 2500 and 3500 are a little less extensive, mainly increasing the availability of new optional equipment. Lane keep assist and adaptive steering are now available on all trim levels, as is blind spot monitoring and trailer tire pressure monitoring. The auxiliary camera system supports two different cameras now, and you now get a standard 50-gallon fuel tank on crew-cab models with the 8-foot bed.

I just bought a 2019 RAM 3500. Currently, about the only negative thing I could say right now is, the mirrors suck.
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According to pickuptrucks.com for the 2020:

The changes to the heavy-duty Ram 2500 and 3500 are a little less extensive, mainly increasing the availability of new optional equipment. Lane keep assist and adaptive steering are now available on all trim levels, as is blind spot monitoring and trailer tire pressure monitoring. The auxiliary camera system supports two different cameras now, and you now get a standard 50-gallon fuel tank on crew-cab models with the 8-foot bed.

I just bought a 2019 RAM 3500. Currently, about the only negative thing I could say right now is, the mirrors suck.
They are great if you leave them flipped up!
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The Mega Cab is 11 inches shorter than long box.

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I didnít ask about length as the Mega Cab is the same length if SRW or DRW, it is just that DRW is just a tad over 8í wide at the hips.
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They are great if you leave them flipped up!
That is true, although they still are not as good as the Chevy and Ford mirrors. Where I live, the roads are small, and the mailboxes are dang close to the edge of the road. If I am not towing, I would much rather have the mirrors "down" to give me another couple of inches on each side.
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That mega cab will pull it without a problem. A mega cab does have a long wheel base due to the big cab. My 06 mega pulled my 13k 5th wheel good. The ram website shows if you get the Cummins HO 1000 lb ft torque and 4.10 gear max payload goes to 5420 lbs. Not sure why? Bigger axles? I looked at the Ram 3500 before I bought my F350. I would get the Cummins HO with the aisin trans and 4.10 gears. With the .63 overdrive you will be at 2000 rpm at around 70 mph. That will be a very good towing experience. You should be able to set the cruise control and let it roll. With my new 5th wheel tires rated at 87 mph I tow at 70 mph. I would also get the air suspension. I wish my F350 had that. Your truck will always be level.
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