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Old 03-23-2016, 05:24 PM   #1
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How much hitch weight is too much??

I have a 2015 Silverado 2500 HD Duramax with the tow package. The stated 5th wheel towing max is 17,400 lbs. Since we are looking for our first 5er what kind of hitch weight should I be sure to stay under. I don't believe that spec was stated anywhere in my owner manuals.

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Old 03-23-2016, 05:46 PM   #2
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PAYLOAD...that is the rating you need.

5th wheel pin wet is 'carried' by tow vehicle

So you need to look at your certificate sticker on door post and see what is listed as payload (yellow sticker with tire data)
That payload is max that truck has available.....then you have to subtract ALL weight of passengers, any stuff inside truck, the weight of a 5th wheel hitch from that payload number.
Amount left over is what you have to carry the pin weight

Pin wet is typically 20% of 5th wheels weight, BUT don't go my dry weight/unladen weight numbers. Use the 5vrs GVWR and 20% of that figure

Example...
17,400# GVWR 5vr...20% ====3480#
That is what you would need in available payload (after all other weights subtracted) to carry the pin weight of that trailer.

2015 2500
Probably 10,000# GVWR
RAWR probably 6200#
Total payload before subtractions probably 3000# or less depending on trucks trim level

Most likely a 12,000 GVWR 5th wheel will be heaviest (2400# pin weight) IF you use stay within trucks ratings (GVWR, Axle Ratings, Tire Max Load Ratings, Payload etc)

So one either using the ratings or justifies being over.


Example of sticker showing 2812# payload (cargo capacity)
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Old 03-23-2016, 08:14 PM   #3
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Your 2500 chevy has a 6200 RAWR and can weigh in the 3000 lb range leaving the truck with a 3200 lb payload. Actual weights depends on scaled front and rear axle weight numbers. Load the truck and get the real axle weights.

Just a heads up here on tire placard payload numbers. Some of the new gen trucks with the high GVWR numbers and high tire placard payload numbers will overload the trucks RAWR if all the weight is placed in the bed.
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Old 03-24-2016, 11:22 AM   #4
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Thanks for the great info all!! I feel much better knowing just what to be aware of and on the look out for!
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JIMNLIN is correct, it's all about what your rear axle rating is and the difference between that number and what your rear axle actually weighs.

Take the GVWR of a RV let's say it's 16K now take 25% of that number it's 4K. So in this example that RV will potentially have too much pin weight for your truck.

Be sure your TV has hitch, toolbox and passengers ready to tow when weighing rear axle.
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Ok.......makes sense but just where do I go to get it weighed?
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There are a lot of these around. https://catscale.com/cat-scale-locat...FQIfhgodpr4CjA
as well as scales at moving & storage warehouses, recycling centers, sand & gravel yards etc.
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Duh.....go to the scales at a truck stop. It's just my wife and I now so if she and I go with a full tank of diesel....I don't have hitch yet(seriously looking at an Andersen Ultimate hitch) and no tool box....then take into consideration the weight of a hitch, subtract that and the amount left is what kind of pin weight the truck can handle?

Example: RAWR=6200# take truck with me, wife, full tank of fuel to scales and rear axle
weighs in at 3000#.....add in 200# for a Reese hitch(just for example).
So 6200-3000-200=3000. Thus in this example the truck can handle a pin
weight of 3000#......correct?
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My small town feed store has a grain elevator and mill. They also have a set of platform scales open 24-7 at no cost.
I get all my truck and trailer axle weight numbers on weekend or after closing hours. That way the store owner doesn't have to wait on me when he weighs out for his mill.
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JIMLIN,
It the feed store scale segmented? Or how do you get axle weight numbers? Or do you just get the total for the axles on the scales?
All feed stores I have seen have only a single platform scale.
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Duh.....go to the scales at a truck stop. It's just my wife and I now so if she and I go with a full tank of diesel....I don't have hitch yet(seriously looking at an Andersen Ultimate hitch) and no tool box....then take into consideration the weight of a hitch, subtract that and the amount left is what kind of pin weight the truck can handle?

Example: RAWR=6200# take truck with me, wife, full tank of fuel to scales and rear axle
weighs in at 3000#.....add in 200# for a Reese hitch(just for example).
So 6200-3000-200=3000. Thus in this example the truck can handle a pin
weight of 3000#......correct?
YES

I would highly advise you look in the 12K GVWR RV segment.
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By chance would air bags on the rear help out and gain me a few more pounds of pin weight?
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JIMLIN,
It the feed store scale segmented? Or how do you get axle weight numbers? Or do you just get the total for the axles on the scales?
All feed stores I have seen have only a single platform scale.
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Just record the weights as you drive on or off and then subtract to get each axle weight. For example, drive on front of truck, 3000 lbs, continue to drive on till TV rear axle is on scale which now reads 6200 lbs, subtract the two which tells you the rear axle is 3200 lbs. Continue until either trailer front axle or both are on the scale, so in this example just pulling numbers out of the air, say the total is 16,400 lbs. Therefore 16,400 - 6200 = 10,200 lbs on your trailer axles. Not quite as accurate but pretty darn close. Hope that helps.
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By chance would air bags on the rear help out and gain me a few more pounds of pin weight?

Nope.
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