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Old 12-12-2014, 10:36 AM   #197
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It's not deceptive. What's deceptive is the ads by all brands saying you can tow or carry x amount of stuff, but when they finally get the truck on the lot it doesn't have that hyped rating. Not everyone reads these forums. There are lots of newbs that don't have a clue.


As far as the door sticker goes, well that's subjective to the state you live in. I live in Oregon and am bound by the trucks GVW. If I travel north to WA then I can up my GVW by paying more for a higher rated GVW thru the DMW. Yes it's cut and dried if you adhere to or need to adhere to the door sticker. But as with all things there are variables. If I lived in WA I could take my 9600lb GVW truck to the DMV and register it for 11,000lbs if I wanted to. And be legal.
In the jurisdiction I am in you can up the weight as well. The only thing is you have to show your truck is capable of carrying the weight you are trying to license it for. They will not give you an 11,000 gvw on a 9600 truck! What government agency would knowingly ignore the manufacturers limits and license it for more than it is designed to carry?

I have seen the licencing agent go out and look at the door sticker.
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Old 12-12-2014, 10:58 AM   #199
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1) Each person has to look at their own situation and determine what works best for them.
2) Who says it won't handle it safely?
3) I'm still waiting to see a state by state law that says you can't carry over your vehicles GVW.

From California’s vehicle code (as an example):
Declared Gross Vehicle Weight Limit Violations: Penalties

42030.1. (a) Every person convicted of a violation of any declared gross vehicle weight limitation provision of this code, shall be punished by a fine that equals the amounts specified in the following table:
[Fines imposed for a conviction of a violation of operating a vehicle in excess of it's declared gross vehicle weight.]*
Pounds in Excess of the Declared Gross Vehicle Weight
Fine
1,001-1,500
$ 250
1,501-2,000
300
2,001-2,500
350
2,501-3,000
400
3,001-3,500
450
3,501-4,000
500
4,001-4,500
550
4,501-5,000
600
5,001-6,000
700
6,001-7,000
800
7,001-8,000
900
8,001-10,000
1,000
10,001 and over
2,000

(b) No part of the penalties prescribed by this section shall be suspended for a conviction of any of the following:
(1) Section 40001 for requiring operation of a vehicle upon a highway in violation of any provision referred to in this section.
(2) Any provision referred to in this section when a second or subsequent conviction of a violation thereof occurs within three years immediately preceding the violation charged.
*The bracketed information has been added editorially to meet accessibility requirements and is not part of statute.
Added Sec. 58, Ch. 861, Stats. 2000. Effective September 29, 2000. Operative December 31, 2001.
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"The other shoe is the insurance companies. We are hearing about more and more cases where one is in an accident, especially rollovers towing toy haulers, where the insurance company determines the vehicle was over weighted and then deny any payments to the vehicle's repair or replacement."

"Insurance adjusters also ask some very particular questions about usage and loading when reporting a claim."

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I think it cool I can go 1,000 lbs over the limit without incurring a fine.

Many cars, especially the smaller 4 cylinder variety are rated somewhere south of 1,000 lbs carrying capacity. I wonder how many of them going down the road with four lard azzez in it are over limit. Forgive me. Its starting as one of them days ya'll.
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As best I can tell, this thread has the most post evah under Trailer Towing and Tow Vehicles. Erling, you now hold the record my man.
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Just to follow up with the "state by state laws", I was looking up the Minnesota statutes, while it's confusing, it seems there is a 5% over weight tolerance. It is hard to separate comercial from passanger vehicles and gvwr vs gawr, but I'm pretty certain that the law in fact has regulation regarding vehicle weight.

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As best I can tell, this thread has the most post evah under Trailer Towing and Tow Vehicles. Erling, you now hold the record my man.

Pretty sure it's just the catchy title.
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I think it cool I can go 1,000 lbs over the limit without incurring a fine.

Many cars, especially the smaller 4 cylinder variety are rated somewhere south of 1,000 lbs carrying capacity. I wonder how many of them going down the road with four lard azzez in it are over limit. Forgive me. Its starting as one of them days ya'll.
IMO the fine is the minor part. If they deem you are in violation you can be impounded until you meet the criteria. Do you have "Trip interuption insurance"?
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Just to follow up with the "state by state laws", I was looking up the Minnesota statutes, while it's confusing, it seems there is a 5% over weight tolerance. It is hard to separate comercial from passanger vehicles and gvwr vs gawr, but I'm pretty certain that the law in fact has regulation regarding vehicle weight.
Tolerance is generally applicable during inclement weather where accumulations of snow or mud may adhere to the vehicle.

Jurisdiction I worked in had a tolerance. Truckers treated the tolerance as legal load and would regularly load into the tolerance. Eventually the tolerance was eliminated and no overloads are allowed.
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I've said this before but You guys that live in a state that require your truck to be registered at a gvw means nothing in a state that has no registered gvw requirements like my and other states.
The line for a gvw on my trucks registration form is blank.
We simply carry weight up to the lessor of the our vehicles axle/tires or wheels ratings.

The state of California says this about registered weights;

3. Q - Can I declare an operating weight higher than my vehicle's Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)?

A- Yes, but only if you are declaring the weight of your vehicle in combination with a towed vehicle and its load (the Combined Gross Weight). NOTE: A declared Combined Gross Weight does not authorize a truck without another vehicle in tow to exceed the truck's authorized axle weight limits.
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Pretty sure it's just the catchy title.
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^^^^^ what does that mean?
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