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Old 11-21-2014, 10:01 AM   #113
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That pic is from page 340 of the "Big and dumb loads" thread on pirate 4X4 forum The person that posted the bronco shows them in Mexico

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Old 11-23-2014, 12:41 AM   #114
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Just to add one last thing to a dying thread. I've noticed a few of the recent posts talking about speed limits and such, well here is a little food for thought for those who act like they do no wrong. The campground we are staying at right now sits on a road that clearly states 5 ton weight limit, yet 90% of the combos here are well over that, a diesel pusher is guaranteed 12 tons. And this is not the first time I've noticed that. Maybe it doesn't apply to recreational vehicles, I don't know, but the signs I see don't mention anything about the details. I would imagine it's to limit commercial traffic, but it doesn't say "no commercial traffic" it says weight limit 5tons. Just sayin
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Old 11-23-2014, 01:36 AM   #115
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Some people just can't read!

Like the two guys I arrested once for having a campfire in a closed area. Their campfire was 15 feet from a sign that said, "NO CAMPFIRES".

Go figure.
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Old 11-23-2014, 09:07 AM   #116
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The campground we are staying at right now sits on a road that clearly states 5 ton weight limit, yet 90% of the combos here are well over that
A 3/4 ton pickup with four adults, tents, and supplies could be close to 5 tons. (depending on how much beer they brought in the coolers )
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Old 11-23-2014, 01:34 PM   #117
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5 ton limit could mean 5 tons per AXLE. Does in my area
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Old 11-23-2014, 01:47 PM   #118
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5 ton limit could mean 5 tons per AXLE. Does in my area

That may be, but 1) it would usually say axle weight limit if that were the case, and 2) we had a fleetwood discovery that was 11tons before we put anything in it. Those buses are in there all the time. My point is for those that say they follow the rules to the t. We have all driven on roads, and were over weight for the road, I drive past the signs all the time.
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Old 11-25-2014, 11:10 AM   #119
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You'll have to be more specific about the trailer and your TV. A Ram 2500 could be capable for your towing needs, according to what model, engine, etc. Have you loaded up as if for a trip and weighed it? That's the true measure.
Bob .. 450 is right on this call. You have to start with pin weight on a fiver. When you drop that pup in the bed, the headlights are looking at the stars and the rear axle bearing are screaming ouch.
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Just to add one last thing to a dying thread. I've noticed a few of the recent posts talking about speed limits and such, well here is a little food for thought for those who act like they do no wrong. The campground we are staying at right now sits on a road that clearly states 5 ton weight limit, yet 90% of the combos here are well over that, a diesel pusher is guaranteed 12 tons. And this is not the first time I've noticed that. Maybe it doesn't apply to recreational vehicles, I don't know, but the signs I see don't mention anything about the details. I would imagine it's to limit commercial traffic, but it doesn't say "no commercial traffic" it says weight limit 5tons. Just sayin
Without seeing the sign it is difficult to determine the exact meaning. Unless the sign was on a bridge (indicating the limit of the bridge) the sign generally applies to commercial vehicles with a registered weight. In this case it would meant as a deterent to keep commercial vehicles from taking a shortcut through the area.

It would be asinine if they placed a sign limiting the weight of vehicles to a campground, especially considering the amount and size of RV's. If it were meant for RV and they enforced it the CG would soon be out of business. The CG owner would not have been able to get a permit to build it if there was a weight limit on the road. If they applied the load limit after the CG was built I imagine he would have raised more than a fuss about the restriction.
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I hope others will read this thread and not make the same mistake, I know there are other threads that are nearly identical, and I wish I took the time and investigated them.
For what's it worth E, and for a large part because of your post ,I have researched the stated limits of my GMC 2500HD and the true weight of the trailer before our planned upgrade to a fifth wheel. What I gleaned from all this is one of the biggest problems , if not the biggest problem, is that the rv manufactures knowingly, willfully, and consistently understate both the "delivered" weight and the hitch weight of the unit, apparently using a so called "dry weights" as a loophole to attract customers to units who have the tow vehicle lacking the wherewithal to properly handle it. How freaking hard can it be for these bastards to say, "hey, when this model sits on the dealer's lot, it actually weighs XXX and has a hitch weight of XXX."? But maybe I'm missing something and misjudging these guys. Nah, I don't think so. You can bet your rear end the shipper knows the exact weight.
I'm in the situation now, after finding a unit both me and the wife want, where I'm spending hours and hours asking questions, sending email, reading documentation, running back and forth scales, making calls as well as scratching my head and azz, trying to obtain reasonably accurate, and apparently secret, weight numbers as the unit now sits on the lot. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "why don't you quit bitching and take the unit to a scale ?" The dealer will be fine with me towing it off the lot if I buy it first. I'm goin to get into a rant if I don't stop.
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For what's it worth E, and for a large part because of your post ,I have researched the stated limits of my GMC 2500HD and the true weight of the trailer before our planned upgrade to a fifth wheel. What I gleaned from all this is one of the biggest problems , if not the biggest problem, is that the rv manufactures knowingly, willfully, and consistently understate both the "delivered" weight and the hitch weight of the unit, apparently using a so called "dry weights" as a loophole to attract customers to units who have the tow vehicle lacking the wherewithal to properly handle it. How freaking hard can it be for these bastards to say, "hey, when this model sits on the dealer's lot, it actually weighs XXX and has a hitch weight of XXX."? But maybe I'm missing something and misjudging these guys. Nah, I don't think so. You can bet your rear end the shipper knows the exact weight.
I'm in the situation now, after finding a unit both me and the wife want, where I'm spending hours and hours asking questions, sending email, reading documentation, running back and forth scales, making calls as well as scratching my head and azz, trying to obtain reasonably accurate, and apparently secret, weight numbers as the unit now sits on the lot. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "why don't you quit bitching and take the unit to a scale ?" The dealer will be fine with me towing it off the lot if I buy it first. I'm goin to get into a rant if I don't stop.

You are so right ,but think about it .The heavier the pin the smaller the 'market' they can sell into.
Thats why you see all the '1/2 ton towable' trailers,there are many many more 1/2 ton trucks then duelys.
My trailer has a stated brochure pin weight of 2800# actual turned out to be over 4000#.
Someone will hold their feet to the fire someday and more rules will result - not a good thing.
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Old 12-03-2014, 06:56 PM   #123
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For what's it worth E, and for a large part because of your post ,I have researched the stated limits of my GMC 2500HD and the true weight of the trailer before our planned upgrade to a fifth wheel. What I gleaned from all this is one of the biggest problems , if not the biggest problem, is that the rv manufactures knowingly, willfully, and consistently understate both the "delivered" weight and the hitch weight of the unit, apparently using a so called "dry weights" as a loophole to attract customers to units who have the tow vehicle lacking the wherewithal to properly handle it. How freaking hard can it be for these bastards to say, "hey, when this model sits on the dealer's lot, it actually weighs XXX and has a hitch weight of XXX."? But maybe I'm missing something and misjudging these guys. Nah, I don't think so. You can bet your rear end the shipper knows the exact weight.
I'm in the situation now, after finding a unit both me and the wife want, where I'm spending hours and hours asking questions, sending email, reading documentation, running back and forth scales, making calls as well as scratching my head and azz, trying to obtain reasonably accurate, and apparently secret, weight numbers as the unit now sits on the lot. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "why don't you quit bitching and take the unit to a scale ?" The dealer will be fine with me towing it off the lot if I buy it first. I'm goin to get into a rant if I don't stop.

What burns me up about my situation is I bought the trailer without owning a truck yet, everyone involved knew I was buying a truck when we finished the deal on the trailer. I asked what I should be looking for, and I was planning on a one ton srw, and was told that a 3/4 would do the job. The only reason I ended up with a 3/4 is that of what was on the lot at the time I liked the 3/4 because of options. There's actually very little difference in price when your spending 63k on a truck, what's a couple thousand? The other thing is in Minnesota a one ton is a weighted truck and is only about $120 to register as non commercial where as a 3/4 is a passanger vehicle and cost over $600 to register.
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BTW I put the airbags on, I went with air lift brand with an internal jounce, cost $410 but went on perfectly with the five link coils and had excellent instructions with lots of photos of the exact kit on the exact truck. Absolutely no drilling was required except for the shrader valve. Anyone could install these bags. I was ridding for a couple days with 25psi just to check for any pressure changes and slow leaks, I think my insides are bruised.
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I know there was some talk initially about swapping for a 3500. I don't know about Dodge, but from what I discovered after talking to a GM service manager et. al. the only real difference between a duramax 2500 and a 3500 single rear wheels, are the rear springs and tires/rims. Motor, transmission, rear-end, bearings, frame, and brakes are interchangeable. He said on some models the 3500 may have .18 inch larger rotors. I'd have to go to a 3500 dually to gain a hell of a lot of capacity and stability. If I believe he and others have any creditability, the consensus is with airbags, as long as I stay within the limits of a SRW 3500 and the rims and tires have the juice, I'm ok. The impression I have now is that if its unsafe to tow it with a 2500, I need to be looking at dually. Screw it, I think I'll find a decent motorhome.
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I know there was some talk initially about swapping for a 3500. I don't know about Dodge, but from what I discovered after talking to a GM service manager et. al. the only real difference between a duramax 2500 and a 3500 single rear wheels, are the rear springs and tires/rims. Motor, transmission, rear-end, bearings, frame, and brakes are interchangeable. He said on some models the 3500 may have .18 inch larger rotors. I'd have to go to a 3500 dually to gain a hell of a lot of capacity and stability. If I believe he and others have any creditability, the consensus is with airbags, as long as I stay within the limits of a SRW 3500 and the rims and tires have the juice, I'm ok. The impression I have now is that if its unsafe to tow it with a 2500, I need to be looking at dually. Screw it, I think I'll find a decent motorhome.

The rams are as follows 4x4 Laramie crew cab diesel, 2500 has 2180 payload, 3500 srw has 3980 payload, and 3500 drw has 5560 payload. So it's about 1700 with each step. Not sure what trailer your looking at but mine is 43' and I would be within limits with an srw.

We went from a diesel pusher mh to a fifth wheel, I am much happier with a fifth wheel. In my opinion, motorhomes are not worth the trouble, there is so much more stuff that can go wrong from the little stuff like power steps, electric vents, bigger and more batteries, heck we had 5 different places we could turn on the water pump from, to the bigger stuff like tires, inverter charger, automatic leveling, and gen set to name a few. Not to mention regular maintenance like oil changes. Something was always needing repair, it was such a hassle, if your parked long you have to run the motor at least once a month and hope it starts when it's time to leave. When your out of propane you have to pack everything up and drive the whole rig to get it filled, or crawl under the bus and hook up an extended stay kit then lug extra propane bottles around with you. A trailer is so much simpler and streamlined, but still offers nearly all the amenities at a tiny fraction of the cost. Trailers are better in extreme weather cause they are sealed up better, they are more reliable because your driving portion gets used every day and can be serviced anywhere and your not our of your house for maintenance. I could go on and on, if your thinking of getting a motorhome because you need a drw, hands down from experience I would drive a drw all day long before I ever bought another mh.

The only way I would even consider buying another mh is if we were going to constantly travel, a week here two weeks there, 50k miles a year style, otherwise your pouring money down the drain.

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