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GoLeafsGo · 07-02-2019, 12:57 PM

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tuffr2 · 07-02-2019, 02:38 PM

I wonder if the Ford Tremor can be as good as the Ram Powerwagon. There is still a Ram Powerwagon with the deep water snorkle a few houses down. That gives the Powerwagon a really super cool look.

GoLeafsGo · 07-02-2019, 02:58 PM

But no diesel option on the PW.

mrgrayaz · 07-02-2019, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

I wonder if the Ford Tremor can be as good as the Ram Powerwagon. There is still a Ram Powerwagon with the deep water snorkle a few houses down. That gives the Powerwagon a really super cool look.

No Front Locker, No Sway bar Disconnect, or OE winch....no, I don't think it matches the PowerWagon. It also likely has double the payload than the anemic PowerWagon, so there is that.

That said, if you look what most guys on the Ford forums are doing - its basically this. 2" lift/or level kit, upping the tires to 35", FOX shocks or similar.

I've been looking for a good Power Wagon to buy for awhile, there aren't a ton out there used, so either they aren't very successful sales wise, or people are just holding onto them.....I bet this Ford kit blows it out of the water numbers wise.

tuffr2 · 07-02-2019, 06:18 PM

That front articulation of the Powerwagon is only matched by some of the unlimited jeeps.

A F-350 Tremor probably will be good enough off road plus have all the capability to carry a light truck camper or tow a rugged trailer. The diesel engine is a Ford advantage.

I guess Ford figures the trade offs fall in their favor. I am not as sure. The Powerwagon can lock front axles and go places the Tremor can not. Add the Jeep like front articulation plus the factory winch and the Powerwagon wins.

The Tremor is a big Ram Rebel TRX.

aknavy · 07-02-2019, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

That front articulation of the Powerwagon is only matched by some of the unlimited jeeps.

A F-350 Tremor probably will be good enough off road plus have all the capability to carry a light truck camper or tow a rugged trailer. The diesel engine is a Ford advantage.

I guess Ford figures the trade offs fall in their favor. I am not as sure. The Powerwagon can lock front axles and go places the Tremor can not. Add the Jeep like front articulation plus the factory winch and the Powerwagon wins.

The Tremor is a big Ram Rebel TRX.

I had my Ford F350 SRW out in the sand in Coyote Buttes - took it into the hiking area with locked diffs, took it out with regular 4x4 with traction control, and it did way better with the traction control. This was in deep, soft sand. Not sure locking diffs make much difference, unless your rock crawling or something like that. If you're doing that, your not hauling any type of camper. All in all, this sounds like a pretty sweet package.

GoLeafsGo · 07-02-2019, 08:47 PM

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I had my Ford F350 SRW out in the sand in Coyote Buttes - took it into the hiking area with locked diffs, took it out with regular 4x4 with traction control, and it did way better with the traction control. This was in deep, soft sand. Not sure locking diffs make much difference, unless your rock crawling or something like that. If you're doing that, your not hauling any type of camper. All in all, this sounds like a pretty sweet package.

This.

mrgrayaz · 07-03-2019, 12:48 PM

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This.

I've wheeled plenty with vehicles that had lockers and those that didn't.
In fact I basically owned the same vehicle in 2WD (but had ABLS), 4WD (+ABLS), and then 4WD +E Lock (+ABLS). The capability jump between each iteration off-road was tremendous. ABLS being the "Antilock Brake Limited Slip" or whatever.

There are certain cases when modern traction control won't do it - and only a locking differential will. Sand is not one of those due to the speeds/wheel spin you can get away with that really let the ABS help, though after a while you can smoke your brakes. However, especially with the limited flex of these big trucks the issue becomes obvious if you ever get into a situation with tires light or off the ground due to ruts/ridges/off angle at slow speeds.

Fortunately, typically vehicles with lockers ALSO have the traction control, verses the vehicles without lockers that rely on ONLY the traction control.
To me its a no brainer - get the locker. Its another tool in the toolbox...

GoLeafsGo · 07-03-2019, 03:54 PM

I get all that, my 2nd vehicle is a lifted Land Cruiser on 35s with ICON suspension, etc., on which I've only engaged the locker to make sure it was still working. I've had Wranglers and a "Trail Edition" 4Runner as well.

I was agreeing with aknavy's statement that almost nobody's going to be wheeling a 350 to the point they'll need lockers...I certainly wouldn't be. In fact, as I was building the RAM in my signature I almost pulled the trigger on the AEV bumper with winch. Then I realized that I actually use the front bumper sensors (which would be deleted for the bumper) on a daily basis while the winch would be nothing more than a decoration...I might as well grow a man bun and mount an awning on the truck like all the other "overlanders" around here with no scratches on their $100,000+ vehicles.

aknavy · 07-03-2019, 09:49 PM

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I get all that, my 2nd vehicle is a lifted Land Cruiser on 35s with ICON suspension, etc., on which I've only engaged the locker to make sure it was still working. I've had Wranglers and a "Trail Edition" 4Runner as well.

I was agreeing with aknavy's statement that almost nobody's going to be wheeling a 350 to the point they'll need lockers...I certainly wouldn't be. In fact, as I was building the RAM in my signature I almost pulled the trigger on the AEV bumper with winch. Then I realized that I actually use the front bumper sensors (which would be deleted for the bumper) on a daily basis while the winch would be nothing more than a decoration...I might as well grow a man bun and mount an awning on the truck like all the other "overlanders" around here with no scratches on their $100,000+ vehicles.

Yeah, I've got the off road package on my F350 dually...really? Like I'll ever get this truck really off road. I'll be lucky to fit down any trail that needs the off road capability, but I've got it if needed. I really don't think an HD truck, designed for hauling or towing, will ever be put to the max 4x4 test.

kdauto · 07-04-2019, 06:07 AM

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Yeah, I've got the off road package on my F350 dually...really? Like I'll ever get this truck really off road. I'll be lucky to fit down any trail that needs the off road capability, but I've got it if needed. I really don't think an HD truck, designed for hauling or towing, will ever be put to the max 4x4 test.

For kicks I went mudding with mine once. It did surprisingly well, and I had a winch and snatch block ready to extract myself if need be. Some lifted 4x4 Jeeps had turned around at the site.

For deep snow situations like we can see here 4x4 is invaluable. I extracted my truck and attached 13k lb trailer from a snowy, muddy incline after an accident. It would not have been possible with any 2WD truck. I was sure I'd need an expensive tow.