I'm in the market for a new tow vehicle

[RustyJC]

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Originally Posted by StarGazer-1 I wouldn't buy the 6.7L engine. Fuel mpg for me was maybe 8mpg in the city and around 17mpg hwy. Now w/ the 5.9L I'm getting 13mpg city and 20 on the hwy. and it's 100% stock. The truck in my avatar was the 6.7L and since have traded it in for what is in my signature.

Our 2011 6.7L Cummins gets the same fuel mileage towing and running empty on the highway as our previous 2002 5.9L. I have no complaints with this engine or truck at all - it's never been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance. It's frankly a much more comfortable, luxurious tow rig than our 2002. The 6.7L had some hiccups when it was first introduced in 2007, but the 2009 and up trucks with the 6.7L are fine.

Rusty

[TravisGSF]

32 ft 7500 lb (dry) open range travel trailer. 2 trucks. Both 2011 F-150 Supercrew 4x4. One has 5.0 with 3.73 rear end and one has Ecoboost with 3.73 and max tow package. (Both have the 20" wheels BTW. Not sure what you mean about it having to have 7 lug wheels). Anyway. The 5.0 has a max tow capacity of 9300 lbs. and tows the TT fine. The Ecoboost has a tow capacity of 11300 and tows it the same, no better. 5.0 gets 8.5 mpg cruising at 60-65 mph. The Ecoboost gets 8.9 mpg towing at 60-65 mph. It is a heavier TT and I don't expect to get good mpg's. Love the trucks though.

[CD]

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Originally Posted by TravisGSF 32 ft 7500 lb (dry) open range travel trailer. 2 trucks. Both 2011 F-150 Supercrew 4x4. One has 5.0 with 3.73 rear end and one has Ecoboost with 3.73 and max tow package. (Both have the 20" wheels BTW. Not sure what you mean about it having to have 7 lug wheels). Anyway. The 5.0 has a max tow capacity of 9300 lbs. and tows the TT fine. The Ecoboost has a tow capacity of 11300 and tows it the same, no better. 5.0 gets 8.5 mpg cruising at 60-65 mph. The Ecoboost gets 8.9 mpg towing at 60-65 mph. It is a heavier TT and I don't expect to get good mpg's. Love the trucks though.

Our Dodge (in signiture) gets 12/13 towing our 28' TT (actual weight 9K) and/or our 8 1/2' slide in. Solo I get 15/18.

[SmokeyWren]

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Originally Posted by TravisGSF Not sure what you mean about it having to have 7 lug wheels).

For 2012 model year, the SuperCrew EcoBoost with 6.5' bed and Lariat trim with 3.73 LS axle includes the max trailer towing pkg and the heavy duty payload pkg. The heavy duty payload pkg includes "heavy duty 7-lug wheels". That gets you 11,000 pounds or more tow rating.

If you order the same truck but with the 3.73 e-Locker axle, neither the max trailer tow pkg nor the HD payload pkg are included, but you can still add the max trailer towing pkg without the HD payload pkg.

So the max trailer tow pkg requires a 3.73 ratio, but you can get it without the HD payload pkg if you specify the 3.73 e-Locker rear axle. If you want longer legs than 3.73 ratio, then you cannot have the max trailer tow pkg. I wanted the 3.15 e-Locker diff, so I couldn't have the max trailer tow pkg. I got the regular trailer tow pkg instead.

[TravisGSF]

Sorry I didn't realize you had a 2012. I have a 2011 with both trucks having the 5.5ft bed.

[Groveite]

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Originally Posted by SmokeyWren For 2012 model year, the SuperCrew EcoBoost with 6.5' bed and Lariat trim with 3.73 LS axle includes the max trailer towing pkg and the heavy duty payload pkg. The heavy duty payload pkg includes "heavy duty 7-lug wheels". That gets you 11,000 pounds or more tow rating. If you order the same truck but with the 3.73 e-Locker axle, neither the max trailer tow pkg nor the HD payload pkg are included, but you can still add the max trailer towing pkg without the HD payload pkg. So the max trailer tow pkg requires a 3.73 ratio, but you can get it without the HD payload pkg if you specify the 3.73 e-Locker rear axle. If you want longer legs than 3.73 ratio, then you cannot have the max trailer tow pkg. I wanted the 3.15 e-Locker diff, so I couldn't have the max trailer tow pkg. I got the regular trailer tow pkg instead.

Hey Smokey

There may be a change from the 2011 as I have the XTR 4X4 SCab 6.5' bed with max tow 3.73 LS (not e-locker) with 6 bolt 18" and the ecoboost . My test run towing (I have towed 1650 miles with this) was the 8 mile climb North to Fancy Gap on I-77 a week or so ago. I can't bear to hurt or lug an engine so I am pretty cautious with my right foot (and like to see decent economy too) and I ran it easily (about 1/4 throttle) in 4th at 50 mph. No effort at all and near the top I hit the throttle to see what was left and there was a lot there....
Having been used to the 6.0 diesel I find the useable low end torque to actually be better in the ecoboost however the towing mpgs are not as good (no surprise there) and wind makes much more difference than on the diesel. Even running empty it makes a 1 to 2 mpg difference! Towing I get between 8.5 and 11.5 running about 65. Empty hwy I'm up to about 20 running 75 or so. If I could stand to run 55 I believe 24 would be attainable. Mixed hwy/city (30/70) I'm getting about 17. 2 interesting oddities .....Until the engine is truly up to temp (about 8 minutes driving) the fuel economy is quite poor and I have read that it fuels rich for emissions/warmup reasons so that makes sense. The other one is related I think as there is no TC lockup until it heats as well...engine temp seems to be the key as trans realtime temps vary quite a bit ( I do love the realtime temps available as opposed to the next to useless gaugethat it has as well). To put things in perspective my old 4 cyl 2L Volvo with 4 sp plus electric overdrive (yep I'm that old) only gave me 12-14 mpg towing a heavy popup across Canada and that was in Imperial gallons ( all my figures for the truck are in US gallons as I buy fuel in US generally).
The durability of the ecoboost and the new 6 speed auto are unknowns but I can attest to the towing ability first hand.
One other nice feature with the max tow is a higher numerical steering ratio which makes towing more comfortable ( a mechanic friend has the same truck - standard tow pkg with standard ratio and finds it "twitchy" when towing a similar trailer).
Ian

[wingnut60]

So, what is the tow rating of the EB 150 without the Max Tow package?

Also, with the 3.73 axle, there is the problem with feedback from people expecting the 22+ mpg--they get the 3.73 to tow and can't get the advertised mpg when solo. Have heard/read many complaints on internet about this. Ford marketing is certainly not very smart on this...great pickup/engine, but they are shooting themselves in the foot when they hide the fact the great mpg can't be gotten with the tow setup.

Joe

[Groveite]

For 2012 it looks like a low of 8000lb depending on axle ratio and cab config.
Ian

[SmokeyWren]

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Originally Posted by wingnut60 So, what is the tow rating of the EB 150 without the Max Tow package?

All of the following detail (and more) is included on page 18 of the 2012 Ford RV and Trailer Towing Guide. It's also on page 2 of the F-150 trailer towing guide you can download by clicking on this link:
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g..._F150nov18.pdf

Note that on page 1 of that 6-page F-150 towing guide there is a button to download the entire 36-page Ford trailer towing guide, not just the F-150 part.

Tow ratings of 2012 F-150 with EcoBoost engine and:

3.15 axle ratio, regular cab, 4x2, 145" WB = 8,800
...SuperCab 145" WB =8,600
...SuperCab 163" WB = 8,400
...SuperCrew 145" WB = 8,500
...SuperCrew 157" WB = 8,400

3.31 axle ratio, regular cab, 4x4, 145" WB = 8,500
...SuperCab 145" WB = 8,300
...SuperCab 163" WB = 8,200
...SuperCrew 145" WB = 8,100
...SuperCrew 157" WB = 8,000

3.55 axle ratio, tow rating varies from 9,500 to 9,800 pounds, depending on cab and bed size.

3.73 without max trailer tow pkg not available for 4x2s. For 4x4s, tow rating varies from 9,500 to 9,700, depending on cab and bed size.

3.73 with max tow pkg or HD payload pkg (or usually both), tow rating varies from 11,000 to 11,300, depending on cab and bed size.

Note that the GCWR (gross combined weight rating), which is a primary determinate of tow rating, also varies based on body and bed size, as well as engine and rear axle ratio. With EcoBoost engine, GCWR varies from 14,000 pounds to 17,100 pounds, so that's the reason the tow ratings with the same axle ratio do not vary more than a few hundred pounds.

[TexasPSDX]

I have an old Excursion (2000), about as old as you can get, 1st year of the Excursion. I would not consider getting rid of it for something else to drive or tow my trailer. There is nothing out there that compares with the Excursion - people carrier or tow vehicle.

Every where I go when pulling trailer, I get people trying to buy it from me. Lots of people looking for them.

[sc3283]

Crew cab dually...ONLY way to pull an RV...long for good ride, wide for good handling and enough truck to be safe in all conditions that could arise.

DON'T skimp or cheap out and settle for a marginal tow vehicle

[wingnut60]

Smokey,
Thanks for the details--interesting reading. Reason I was asking, the premier auto show in Metroplex on Saturday mornings jumped in about a month ago touting the F150 with the max tow package was rated to 'tow 17000 lbs'--I called in about it and told him "no way was an F150 going to tow 17k, to check his info"--he said that is what the brochure was saying. So I guess he was thinking GCWR, not tow rating. Never heard a correction...
Joe