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Old 02-18-2013, 11:50 AM   #1
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Is my Tow Vehicle big enough?

So I recently bought my first travel trailer a primetime tracer 245 bhs 24 ' and 5000 lbs dry. I'm using a 2012 V6 VW Tourareg which can tow 7500lbs. It kinda looks odd but pulls ok. Is my car big enough?
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:02 PM   #2
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Welcome to IRV2. I'll move this thread to towing and tow vehicles to get a better answer for you.
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:45 PM   #3
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Yea your 114inch wheel base is probably at about the limit for a 24'. I probably wouldn't go any longer than that. Make sure you have a good weight distribution hitch and you should be fine. Test it out around town and make sure you have no sway when you come to an abrupt stop or moving at higher speeds.

I'm surprised the V6 can handle that much weight. Unless your talking about the TDI V6, which is a beast.
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The 245BHS is 26' 10" long. Your tow car is kinda short but powerful. That is what makes it look odd. Also most cars like yours can only tow 5,000 lbs. so you do not see your towing combination on the road very often.

The VW must have a very solid frame plus all the towing stuff needed to tow like transmission cooler.

If you have a trans cooler and are using a weight distribution hitch plus not exceeding the weight inwhich the car can carry (people, camping gear, fuel, tongue weight) then you should be ok.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:18 PM   #6
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First off don't go by dry weight. Go by GVWR which is max weight for the trailer. That is the number to use. I made the mistake in buying a TT that was at the limit for my TV and after 1 year the DW made me sell it and we went MH. Also a V6 is going to struggle to pull it up hills and a TT that is almost if not bigger than your TV. You may not like the feel and it will wear out your VW quickly.

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Umm. My 52 vw is my toad. Never thought of them as a hauler. I guess it can work


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A good sized garden tractor will pull it, but I would make sure you're vehicle can stop it safely!
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Looks to me the VW is pushing. At least from my angle.

But really the Touareg is built heavier then other SUV's. It is the cousin to the Porsche Cayenne. The Cayenne comes with a 500hp engine.

As an option you can get TDI Tourareg.

Not sure if the OP has this version.
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The Tourareg VR6 (gasser) Sport is a tough rascal with impressive weight limits. But like all SUVs, it cannot tow a heavy trailer and haul an SUV full of people at the same time without being overloaded.

tow rating of 7700 pounds
GVWR of 6173 pounds
max payload = 1287 pounds when the wet and loaded SUV weighs only 4,886 pounds.
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That means when there is absolutely nothing in the SUV except a skinny driver, that SUV can pull a TT that grosses up to 7,700 pounds. The Primetime Tracer 245 BHS has a GVWR of 7489, so it's within the "tow rating" limits. But tow ratings are extremely optimistic because they do not consider the weight of passengers and hitch weight. Assuming the normal 12.5% hitch weight of a wet and loaded TT, it will have about 936 pounds hitch weight.

1287 max payload minus 200 pounds driver minus 936 pounds hitch weight leaves only 151 pounds for passengers and "stuff" in the SUV. And that assumes the payload rating is accurate.

In other words, you're probably going to be overloaded.

You can fool yourself by claiming you won't load the RV to the GVWR, and thus reduce hitch weight, but almost all RVers load their TTs close to the GVWR by the third camping trip. And you can bet the actual available payload of your SUV won't be anywhere close to the 1,287 payload rating.

Load the SUV with driver, passengers, pets, tools and stuff that will be in it when towing. If you already have the weight-distributing hitch, then include the shank and ball mount for the hitch. Go to a truckstop that has a truck scale, fill up with gas, and weigh the wet and loaded SUV. If the shank and ball mount for the hitch are not included, then add 50 pounds to the weight of the SUV. Subtract the weight of the SUV from the 6,173 pounds GVWR, and the answer is the max hitch weight you can have without being overloaded. It will probably be a lot less than 936 pounds.

As a general rule, I'd look for a TT with a GVWR closer to 5,000 pounds to result in carefree towing with that Tourareg. Then wet and loaded hitch weight would be around 625 pounds. That would leave about another 625 pounds for driver, passengers, pets, and stuff without being overloaded. Then you'd have a fighting chance to not be overloaded. But with that 245BHS, you're probably going to be overloaded. You have enough truck to pull that much trailer, but not enough payload capacity to haul the hitch weight of that trailer.
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It depends whether you're a UK resident or not. For some screw-ball reason, tow ratings on imported cars in the US are reduced by about 60% from their European ratings. In the US, my Kia Sedona (3.5L V6, automatic) is rated at 3500 pounds. The identical car in the UK is rated for 6600 pounds.

Obviously, if you exceed the car's GVWR, including the tongue weight, or if the combination exceeds the GCWR, you'll have a problem. IMO, a legal/insurance problem is more likely than a vehicle dynamics one.

My uncle used to tow a 19' "coach-built" (pronounced "heavy") TT with an Austin Cambridge sedan. It had a 1500cc four-cylinder engine with about 55 horsepower. They went all over western Europe with that rig (rather slowly) for several years and never had a wreck.
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So I recently bought my first travel trailer a primetime tracer 245 bhs 24 ' and 5000 lbs dry. I'm using a 2012 V6 VW Tourareg which can tow 7500lbs. It kinda looks odd but pulls ok. Is my car big enough?
Just wanted to say thanks to all for your help. I guess I need to take when loading up and not take too much.. Thanks
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