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Old 08-29-2013, 02:18 PM   #127
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The RV industry seems to be exempt from a lot of things. Quality control, MSRP standards and skilled technicians. Nothing wrong with a mandatory RV class. So what if the dealer tacks an extra $150.00 or what ever on the total price. In Oregon you now need a boaters license for any boat being operated with 10hp or more. ATV riders must take a class. Motorcycle riders must take a class before getting an endorsement.
Why not make an RV class mandatory. Yes it is government intervention. But I don't need some uninformed RV owner swaying all over the road and causing an accident that I may be involved in.
Only downside to having an RV class is there would be more RV'ers that know what they're doing and there would be less to read on the forums.
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I have never understood that a motorcycle requires a class and a test, both written and operational in most states for a device that weighs less than 1,000#, and the greatest danger is to the operator themselves. In those same states you can go out without and special test or endorsement and drive a rig with a combined weight of up to 26,000#, that if the operator looses control can cause damage and loss of life not only to themselves but also to many others.
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:59 PM   #128
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Saw an add in a magazine from an RV dealer in Ontario heavily promoting " test drives". They will hook up their trailer and allow you to take a spin to see if your comfortable towing it with your TV.

I'll bet they use some caution and give some advice before allowing unpaid for product hit the road.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:20 PM   #129
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There can be a big difference in total weight and tongue weight when delivered and when ready for camping. It's up to the operator to understand TV limits, trailr limits, and the importance in adequate tonque weight. A dealer shoul make that information available, but it's still up to the operator to understand it.

Weight issues aren't unique to TT. I've seen many class A coaches over weighted with the owner' stuff. Know what your rig weighs when fully loaded and adjust you load for a tongue weight bewteen 10-15% of the total loaded weight.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:41 PM   #130
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It's up to the operator to understand TV limits, trailr limits, and the importance in adequate tonque weight. A dealer shoul make that information available, but it's still up to the operator to understand it.

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How are newbies supposed to get this understanding. I got it by watching my father tow starting with pop-up and moving up to TT.
My first solo towing experience was owning and towing a snowmobile trailer.
Combined with slowing every increasing trailer size and a knowledge of mechanics and physics my knowledge, understanding and experience grew over the past 30 plus years of trailer towing..
How is a newbie that goes out and buys a 30ft trailer as their first towing experience supposed to safely get that knowledge, understanding and experience without some sort of training course.
When I jumped in to my first fifthwheel I was very happy and appreciative of all the guidance and pointers my retired truck driving father in law taught me as it was invaluable to speeding up my learning and experience curve with towing a fifthwheel.

I completely agree that a RV license endorsement training program is overdue. In Ontario a voluntary training program has been instituted by the RV industry that dealers recommend new owners take. I have no firsthand knowledge of it's content or value however as it is not mandatory to get your license and I have not bought a trailer from an Ontario dealer for over a decade.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:02 AM   #131
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I completely agree that a RV license endorsement training program is overdue.
I disagree. It's time for operators to be responsible. Responsible operators will seek out training. A quick web search will result in enough data that anyone should be fully knowledable of the requirements to safely tow a trailer. Most new vehicles that can be factory equipped with a trailer towing package have a whole section o their manual or a separate manual on towing. I suspect trailer manufactures likely provide similar.

I'm not a fan of tax stamps oherwise called license. I would much rather have someone that takes responsibility for they are doing.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:58 AM   #132
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I disagree. It's time for operators to be responsible. Responsible operators will seek out training. A quick web search will result in enough data that anyone should be fully knowledable of the requirements to safely tow a trailer. Most new vehicles that can be factory equipped with a trailer towing package have a whole section o their manual or a separate manual on towing. I suspect trailer manufactures likely provide similar.

I'm not a fan of tax stamps oherwise called license. I would much rather have someone that takes responsibility for they are doing.


I don't have any confidence that government licensing endorsements will do anything at all to mitigate dangerous towing behavior.

When I got my motorcycle endorsement (in 1980), I had to demonstrate that I knew how to operate the brakes and could navigate through some cones in a parking lot. I have not been asked any questions about it since, short of 'would you like to keep your motorcycle endorsement?' when renewing my license. Nothing about this has anything to do with the safe operation of my motorcycle. (Well... OK.... Knowing where the brakes are is a good thing.)

Maybe this is a better solution; Insurance companies do not issue new RV owners full coverage unless they take and pass a safety course designed for their type of RV. Liability coverage comes at high premiums pending the passed course, decrease substantially when the course is passed and continue to decrease over time with safe operational history.

That way, the operator is faced with a personal financial risk or personal financial cost decision. Most would take the safety course, and consider it part of the RV purchase price. And since full coverage is often required by lenders, new owners who want to finance would be compelled to take the course. Insurance companies would benefit from decreased claims and so could lower costs for their customers.

No government intervention required.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:15 AM   #133
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I have never understood that a motorcycle requires a class and a test, both written and operational in most states for a device that weighs less than 1,000#, and the greatest danger is to the operator themselves. In those same states you can go out without and special test or endorsement and drive a rig with a combined weight of up to 26,000#, that if the operator looses control can cause damage and loss of life not only to themselves but also to many others.
I drive the interstate between my house and work. Just because someone was given a license does not mean they know how to drive. Where I fit through construction zones (reduced lane size) next to a tractor trailer, amazing enough I can not fit next to a vehicle like a (insert compact car here) as they do not know where the edge of their 5' wide vehicle is in a 9-10 foot wide lane. They spend half their time in the zone riding the line. (Oh, I am 8' wide, dually)
There should be some sort of familiarization course, like EVOC (emergency vehicle operators course) but who would administer it. You can go to somewhere like RVSafety and get one.
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the government has never been the answer nor solution to anything, and you can't fix stupid. So I am afraid we're stuck with what we have, and it's only going to get worse. Common sense isn't so common anymore. just hope your not around when it exposes itself
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You are right. A license program is over due. A basic test to tow anything. It won't eliminate all accidents but will educate the majority about some of the basics like loading, tongue weight etc. A lot of that info is picked up from friends, parents as we grow up. Some people don't get that info until too late.
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You are right. A license program is over due. A basic test to tow anything. It won't eliminate all accidents but will educate the majority about some of the basics like loading, tongue weight etc. A lot of that info is picked up from friends, parents as we grow up. Some people don't get that info until too late.
I picked it up from my dad working on a farm, and doing a lot of odd jobs loading and hauling stuff. It eventually led to me teaching my friends how to load and tow a loaded trailer.
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Maybe this is a better solution; Insurance companies do not issue new RV owners full coverage unless they take and pass a safety course designed for their type of RV. Liability coverage comes at high premiums pending the passed course, decrease substantially when the course is passed and continue to decrease over time with safe operational history.

That way, the operator is faced with a personal financial risk or personal financial cost decision. Most would take the safety course, and consider it part of the RV purchase price. And since full coverage is often required by lenders, new owners who want to finance would be compelled to take the course. Insurance companies would benefit from decreased claims and so could lower costs for their customers.

No government intervention required.
May I be the first to second that? It is an excellent suggestion, insurance carriers might jump all over that if they find out. It is very similar to what is commonplace now, kids get a small reduction in premiums if they have had drivers education.
How hard could a RV driver test be, ever seen some of the young truck drivers on the road_, and they got a CDL.
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I like the idea of the insurance industry offering discounts for completing safety training. Keep the govt. out of it. Just another thing to stand in their lines for if they get involved.
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Drivers training is good but who will be giving the training? Learn how to drive from someone who doesn't know how to drive but has all the credentials? I was fortunate. I had a good drivers trainer in High school and also learned how to drive on a coarse with sliced soap that was watered down before training. Plus, being retired leo I got to see lots of serious accidents up close. It can get your attention about how short life can be. Training doesn't mean you'll be accident free but it makes you think about more safety.
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The same thing happened to my brother in law with a Tahoe. Not enough TV to control the trailer. You have a short wheelbase with a soft mushy suspension.
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