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Old 11-05-2019, 09:09 PM   #15
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Long Bed or Standard Bed for pulling a 5th wheeler?

I thought I read somewhere that the 6.7L Powerstroke was slightly derated in the 450, compared to the 250/350?

Edit - I guess this is just for the chassis cabs.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-derating.html
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Thats bad part about the 450 ford. Its limited to class 3 truck and 14k gvw. I dont get it. why not make it a class 4 up the gvw. Thats also why the 350 and 450 share many parts. My 4500 is rated at 16,500. and there is a HUGE diff between it and a 3500. Not even close to the same.

In the end the 8ft bed will serve you well.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:24 AM   #17
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I cant find anything saying the frame is different. Where are you getting this info? I just searched for the past 30 minutes.

I could be wrong about the frame but I think I heard it on the Big truck big RV you-tube channel. My son works for a Ford dealer. Ill have him find out for sure.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:40 PM   #18
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I could be wrong about the frame but I think I heard it on the Big truck big RV you-tube channel. My son works for a Ford dealer. Ill have him find out for sure.
That guys a stooge. I know the c&c trucks have a different frame from the sd pickups but the sd trucks have always had the same frame.
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That guys a stooge. I know the c&c trucks have a different frame from the sd pickups but the sd trucks have always had the same frame.
That would seem correct. the pickup bed trucks seem to be capped at 14k GVW but the cab and chassis you get more gvw.
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450 for the turning radius and beefed up frame.

Where do you get beefed up frame? The F350 actually has a higher payload rating than the F450. Cheaper too. That is why I got the 2019 F350.
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That would seem correct. the pickup bed trucks seem to be capped at 14k GVW but the cab and chassis you get more gvw.
The reason you get a higher GVW is because there is nothing but the bare frame on the rear! LOL
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The reason you get a higher GVW is because there is nothing but the bare frame on the rear! LOL
It wouldnt suprise me if you heard that on that youtube channel.
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Where do you get beefed up frame? The F350 actually has a higher payload rating than the F450. Cheaper too. That is why I got the 2019 F350.
The whole F450 is a stronger truck than the F350 Ford capped its GVWR at 14,000#. Simple math heavier stouter truck same 14,000# GVWR equals less payload on paper.

The CC F450 is listed as a class 4 commercial truck, with higher GVWR and Payload, but higher registration fees and likely higher insurance cost.
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The whole F450 is a stronger truck than the F350 Ford capped its GVWR at 14,000#. Simple math heavier stouter truck same 14,000# GVWR equals less payload on paper.

The CC F450 is listed as a class 4 commercial truck, with higher GVWR and Payload, but higher registration fees and likely higher insurance cost.
Who was talking chassis cab? Pretty sure we have been talking crewcab pickups. You are into an entirely different category!
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Thats bad part about the 450 ford. Its limited to class 3 truck and 14k gvw. I dont get it. why not make it a class 4 up the gvw. Thats also why the 350 and 450 share many parts. My 4500 is rated at 16,500. and there is a HUGE diff between it and a 3500. Not even close to the same.

In the end the 8ft bed will serve you well.

I think if you look closer you find that the F450 is a much different than an F350, much heaver built and larger brakes. That is why with the 14,000# GVWR cap it has a lower payload.
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Where do you get beefed up frame? The F350 actually has a higher payload rating than the F450. Cheaper too. That is why I got the 2019 F350.

I have been corrected. The frames are the same. Its the heavier front suspension, brakes, wheels and tires, etc... that causes the lower payload rating. I really like my 2016 F-350 but wish it had the 450s turning radius.
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I have been corrected. The frames are the same. Its the heavier front suspension, brakes, wheels and tires, etc... that causes the lower payload rating. I really like my 2016 F-350 but wish it had the 450s turning radius.

Heavier wheels and tires do not affect payload. Larger brakes and the wide track front will make a slight difference.


I had a 2016 F350 with the smaller gvwr. When I ordered my 2019 F350 I maxed the gvwr to 14K. My heavy 5th would make the 2016 squat some. The 2019 does not squat at all. I love all the new electronics on the 2019. That active cruise control is awesome! Set the distance you want from the guy in front of you and when you come up on someone it automatically slows you down to their speed. Use the turn signal to change lanes and it quickly accelerates you back to the speed you have set.
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Heavier wheels and tires do not affect payload. Larger brakes and the wide track front will make a slight difference.


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Is that the new math method of calculating payload?


Every pound that you add to a base vehicle reduces it's payload by the same amount.
The Yellow Payload sticker is simply the weight of the vehicle as it comes off the assembly line with allowances for driver and fuel, subtracted from the vehicles GVWR. The payload doesn't remain constant it gets smaller as you add passengers, tools, running boards, bed liner and on and on.
The Yellow Sticker payload on our 2016 Ram 3500 is 5,411# The first time we scaled ready to tow the TV weighed 9,950# on a 14,000# GVWR so 1,361# of deductions.
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